Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:15 pm
A neighbor kid who has his LTC wants to trade handguns with someone that doesn’t have an LTC. Is there anything he should do besides a bill of sale?
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Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:58 pm
I'll state the obvious. He needs to have the other party confirm they are legally able to own a handgun in the state of Texas. I realize that may be a no brainer, but still wanted to mention it.
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:03 pm
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:08 pm
I don't think one is required to show any "evidence" for a private sale, LTC or DL. I will defer to one of our legal types in here but my policy is NOT to restrict the second amendment any further than the law already requires. If I am going to appose the government further restrict gun rights, it feels a bit hypocritical if I add a few restrictions of my own.
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:15 pm
Even the bill of sale is not required but I personally get one.
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:31 pm
That is not a bad idea and I would do that with anything I sell, simply as evidence it was sold. One would think the person purchasing a gun would also want to have proof they paid for it. It is ironic that the person buying the gun is at more legal risk than the one selling it. You could be buying a stolen gun.
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:33 pm
Or, more likely, you buy a gun that was reported stolen for the insurance payout....03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:31 pmThat is not a bad idea and I would do that with anything I sell, simply as evidence it was sold. One would think the person purchasing a gun would also want to have proof they paid for it. It is ironic that the person buying the gun is at more legal risk than the one selling it. You could be buying a stolen gun.
Then when the serial pops up in a self-defensive situation as 'stolen', the DA pins murder on you with a stolen weapon. Good luck bringing the jury back on that one. :/
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:35 pm
I agree but if you have read many posts on this forum you will see that many people don't want to get a bill of sale. Sounds foolish to me but that's the way it is. Bill of sale is not legally required though.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:31 pmThat is not a bad idea and I would do that with anything I sell, simply as evidence it was sold. One would think the person purchasing a gun would also want to have proof they paid for it. It is ironic that the person buying the gun is at more legal risk than the one selling it. You could be buying a stolen gun.
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:38 pm
rotor wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:35 pmI agree but if you have read many posts on this forum you will see that many people don't want to get a bill of sale. Sounds foolish to me but that's the way it is. Bill of sale is not legally required though.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:31 pmThat is not a bad idea and I would do that with anything I sell, simply as evidence it was sold. One would think the person purchasing a gun would also want to have proof they paid for it. It is ironic that the person buying the gun is at more legal risk than the one selling it. You could be buying a stolen gun.
I want a bill of sale for anything I purchase used. If the cops come knocking over stolen property, I will be sending them to the seller. LOL... sorry... yep... I am a snitch.
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:41 pm
The wording on it is pretty vague. Maybe someone can find it. To me it almost insinuates that unless I know you are not a legal resident, you simply saying you are is good enough.
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm
You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”
If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.
If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:03 am
Thank You. I thought it was something along those lines. I would not buy a firearm or anything else from a random seller anyway. These days it is just too much risk to get a name out of Craigs list and meet up with money in hand.carlson1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”
If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.
Using verifiable platforms to buy and sell use feel pretty safe to me. I know for instance that a long time member here selling a gun is highly unlikely to be selling me a stolen gun. I have sold face to face a couple times off Gun Broker but both times it was to people who had a long term membership and I could reasonably verify they were legitimate, non felon gun buyers. Who had residency in Texas.
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:39 am
I personally have bought some very fine firearms using Texasguntrader and you can see if the member has been a member for one day or years. Craigslist doesn't sell guns. I also use a bill of sale which includes the persons drivers license and I don't buy without it. Your choice of course but you may miss some very fine purchases.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:03 amThank You. I thought it was something along those lines. I would not buy a firearm or anything else from a random seller anyway. These days it is just too much risk to get a name out of Craigs list and meet up with money in hand.carlson1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”
If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.
Using verifiable platforms to buy and sell use feel pretty safe to me. I know for instance that a long time member here selling a gun is highly unlikely to be selling me a stolen gun. I have sold face to face a couple times off Gun Broker but both times it was to people who had a long term membership and I could reasonably verify they were legitimate, non felon gun buyers. Who had residency in Texas.
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:50 am
I would require a BoS selling to a private person.. YMMV.
https://bluelinedefense.com/d-files/bill_of_sale_1.pdf
https://bluelinedefense.com/d-files/bill_of_sale_1.pdf
Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:58 am
I just stated what the law in Texas requires.
We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.
We can require anything we want. If we want them to stand on their head then we can require it. Just don’t be surprised when no ones wants to stand on their head.