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TABC / 30.06 / 30.07

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Forgive me if this is a repost but I could not find a discussion on this. I do need some clarification on these signs from this knowledgeable community.

I have been to numerous establishments that have the blue "the unlicensed possession..." sign along with a 30.06. Correct me if I am wrong but the blue sign is saying you can carry if you have a license. Obviously the 30.06 says you can't conceal carry. I also did a little bit of research discovering he TABC sign is posted due to alcohol sales. Am I clear to carry in a establishment with these signs up?

I could not figure out how to upload the picture from my phone to this website so I hope the img link works.

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The blue sign is required to be posted by a business that sells alcohol if they are not required to post the red 51% sign.

The 30.06 sign is valid notice LTC may not carry a concealed handgun.
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The 30.06 and 30.07 prohibit you from carrying a handgun, if you are an LTC holder. The blue,TABC signs only prohibit unlicensed carry.

I don't know where this establishment is located, but they would not get my business. The ironic sign is the one that says " don't be a target" yet the signs make them exactly that.
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No, you cannot concealed or open carry. The 30.06/30.07 signs are put up at the owners discretion. This means the owner does not want you to carry and you legally have been notified. The blue TABC sign is required by TABC due to selling alcohol for off-premise consumption, or for locations making less than 51% of their revenue from the sale of alcohol for on-premise consumption. It is just saying it's not against the law to carry there if you have an LTC, but it's not saying you can bypass a legal 30.06/30.07 if posted.
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Keith B wrote:it's not saying you can bypass a legal 30.06/30.07 if posted.
That is the common sense answer and, to my mind, obviously correct. License holders would do well not to play games with the intricacies of the signs. We should act in good faith.
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Dcastrojr wrote:I have been to numerous establishments that have the blue "the unlicensed possession..." sign along with a 30.06. Correct me if I am wrong but the blue sign is saying you can carry if you have a license.
Read it. It says nothing about licensed carry.

It is a warning to people carrying without a license that the misdemeanor offense of unlawful carrying weapons escalates to a felony in that building.
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Looks to me like the sign on the left door is a 30.07 and the sign on the right door is a 30.06, but they are blurred.
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Sign on the right is 30.06 and has old wording. Don't ask don't tell...
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To keep it clear in my mind, I think of it this way. TABC red (51%) and blue signs remind me what the law says and 30.06 and 30.07 signs indicate the wishes of the owner/operator. TABC 51% sign means no carry by law. Blue means ok to carry if licensed. 30.06 and 30.07 indicates whether or not the owner/operator wants you to NOT carry either concealed or openly depending on the sign.

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jason812 wrote:Sign on the right is 30.06 and has old wording. Don't ask don't tell...
I think you are the only one that caught this. Technically the 30.06 is not valid. I wouldn't push the point though.
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Dcastrojr wrote:Image
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Forgive me if this is a repost but I could not find a discussion on this. I do need some clarification on these signs from this knowledgeable community.

I have been to numerous establishments that have the blue "the unlicensed possession..." sign along with a 30.06. Correct me if I am wrong but the blue sign is saying you can carry if you have a license. Obviously the 30.06 says you can't conceal carry. I also did a little bit of research discovering he TABC sign is posted due to alcohol sales. Am I clear to carry in a establishment with these signs up?

I could not figure out how to upload the picture from my phone to this website so I hope the img link works.

Thank you for your help.
The blue TABC sign is required by another statute and must be there if the sale of alcohol is present. The 30.06 and 30.07 signs are discretionary on the part of the owner. The two are mutually exclusive and do not effect each other nor give to or take away any legal force of the other.

If one is unlicensed with a weapon then the 30.06/30.07 signs do not apply to them and the blue signs explain the penalty. If one is licensed with a weapon then the blue sign is innocuous to them, but the presence or lack thereof of a 30.067/30.07 sign makes notification of the owner's unwillingness to give consent to carriage on his property.

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jason812 wrote:Sign on the right is 30.06 and has old wording. Don't ask don't tell...
According to 2016 update it is word for word. Unless I missed something.
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twomillenium wrote:
jason812 wrote:Sign on the right is 30.06 and has old wording. Don't ask don't tell...
According to 2016 update it is word for word. Unless I missed something.
The part in parenthesis (Concealed Handgun Law) is the old wording and should be (Handgun Licensing Law). Easy to miss.
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