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New to the forum- Question... If a business allows CC but no OC, do the rules against handgun being visible under clothing still apply? It IS a violation for weapon to be seen under clothing while CC correct?

Short answer is nothing changed in regard to CC if you are inside a 30.07 posted location.

Somebody will be along shortly with the long answer about printing not being in the penal code and the exact wording I'm sure.

Solsand wrote:New to the forum- Question... If a business allows CC but no OC, do the rules against handgun being visible under clothing still apply? It IS a violation for weapon to be seen under clothing while CC correct?

Welecome to the TexasCHLForum Solsand.
Printing normally means seeing a "budge" but that is not the same as being visible.
IANAL, so someone else will post the appropriate legal text.

Solsand wrote:New to the forum- Question... If a business allows CC but no OC, do the rules against handgun being visible under clothing still apply? It IS a violation for weapon to be seen under clothing while CC correct?

I'm not sure what you mean by a weapon "seen" under clothing. If you are talking about a sheer shirt over a weapon, then yes that would not be concealed. If the weapon is sticking out under a shirt so the barrel is visible, then that is also not concealed. But if you are talking about a bulge under a non-sheer shirt, then that is not a violation of CC.

It is a violation to intentionally display a handgun in a place where 30.07 notice has been given (but 30.06 notice has not been given)

Printing is not displaying.

mr1337 wrote:It is a violation to intentionally display a handgun in a place where 30.07 notice has been given (but 30.06 notice has not been given)

Printing is not displaying.

If a person does such a poor job of concealing to the point where it is obvious that they are carrying a handgun, they will most likely be asked to leave.

Welcome to the Forum. You raise an interesting question and the answer is "yes and no." How's that for a lawyer's answer?

If an LTC carries a handgun in a belt or shoulder holster, then Tex. Penal Code §46.035(a) does not apply and there is no to keep it concealed nor an offense for not keeping the handgun concealed. If the handgun is carried in a manner other than a belt or shoulder holster, such as pocket-carry, an ankle holster, or merely stuck in one's belt, then Tex. Penal Code §46.035(a) does apply and intentionally "displaying" it in a public place with people present would be a violation.

Tex. Penal Code Sections 30.06 and 30.07 are trespass violations. If property is posted with a 30.07 sign but not a 30.06 sign, then an LTC can carry their handgun concealed, but not openly. If he were carrying it in a belt or shoulder holster and were to intentionally let it be seen on the property, then there would be no violation of Tex. Penal Code §46.035(a) but there would be a violation of Tex. Penal Code §30.06. If the exposure was not intentional, then there would be no violation at all.

Chas.

This is not some other state. "Printing" does not exist in Texas Penal Code. It can either be seen or it cannot be seen.

Don't worry about printing. If in a 30.07 make sure your shirt completely covers the gun and if anybody ask what is under your shirt tell them is a cellphone or if they are really snotty tell them its your catheter bag and ask them "Are you discriminating again someone with a disability?" and they usually change their attitude real quick .

SIRIT wrote:Don't worry about printing. If in a 30.07 make sure your shirt completely covers the gun and if anybody ask what is under your shirt tell them is a cellphone or if they are really snotty tell them its your catheter bag and ask them "Are you discriminating again someone with a disability?" and they usually change their attitude real quick .

Does intentionally doing a poor job of concealing equate to intentional display?

SIRIT wrote:Don't worry about printing. If in a 30.07 make sure your shirt completely covers the gun and if anybody ask what is under your shirt tell them is a cellphone or if they are really snotty tell them its your catheter bag and ask them "Are you discriminating again someone with a disability?" and they usually change their attitude real quick .

As many here have said, "printing" is a non-issue when it comes to concealed carry. As long as the gun is completely covered you are good to go. Just because someone sees a bulge under your shirt and guesses that you are carrying a gun, well, so what. I don't think people in general pay that much attention to you anyway. I know there have been times when the grip of my gun probably made a slight bulge under my shirt but no-one has ever said anything to me about it. It's not something I worry about.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Welcome to the Forum. You raise an interesting question and the answer is "yes and no." How's that for a lawyer's answer?

If an LTC carries a handgun in a belt or shoulder holster, then Tex. Penal Code §46.035(a) does not apply and there is no to keep it concealed nor an offense for not keeping the handgun concealed. If the handgun is carried in a manner other than a belt or shoulder holster, such as pocket-carry, an ankle holster, or merely stuck in one's belt, then Tex. Penal Code §46.035(a) does apply and intentionally "displaying" it in a public place with people present would be a violation.

Tex. Penal Code Sections 30.06 and 30.07 are trespass violations. If property is posted with a 30.07 sign but not a 30.06 sign, then an LTC can carry their handgun concealed, but not openly. If he were carrying it in a belt or shoulder holster and were to intentionally let it be seen on the property, then there would be no violation of Tex. Penal Code §46.035(a) but there would be a violation of Tex. Penal Code §30.06. If the exposure was not intentional, then there would be no violation at all.

Chas.

Great answers all. The reason I asked is because (believe it or not) our instructor at my CHL class stated more than once that "printing" was a violation of 30.06. That ran counter to everything I had been told previously, so it's good to get some clarification. Thanks to all.

Solsand wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Welcome to the Forum. You raise an interesting question and the answer is "yes and no." How's that for a lawyer's answer?

If an LTC carries a handgun in a belt or shoulder holster, then Tex. Penal Code §46.035(a) does not apply and there is no to keep it concealed nor an offense for not keeping the handgun concealed. If the handgun is carried in a manner other than a belt or shoulder holster, such as pocket-carry, an ankle holster, or merely stuck in one's belt, then Tex. Penal Code §46.035(a) does apply and intentionally "displaying" it in a public place with people present would be a violation.

Tex. Penal Code Sections 30.06 and 30.07 are trespass violations. If property is posted with a 30.07 sign but not a 30.06 sign, then an LTC can carry their handgun concealed, but not openly. If he were carrying it in a belt or shoulder holster and were to intentionally let it be seen on the property, then there would be no violation of Tex. Penal Code §46.035(a) but there would be a violation of Tex. Penal Code §30.06. If the exposure was not intentional, then there would be no violation at all.

Chas.

Great answers all. The reason I asked is because (believe it or not) our instructor at my CHL class stated more than once that "printing" was a violation of 30.06. That ran counter to everything I had been told previously, so it's good to get some clarification. Thanks to all.

Well, depending upon your instructor's definition of "printing," he may well have been correct. "Printing" is not a statutorily-defined term. For years, it was jargon meaning the gun was so poorly concealed that it was easily discernible as a handgun. The term was almost always applied to a situation where the cover garment was so tight as to clearly outline the gun, or so thin as to make it at least partially visible through one's shirt. Over the decades the term seems to have lost its meaning and it has been used to refer to a mere bulge. True printing as the term was originally used would constitute a violation when the law prohibits open-carry (college campus, 30.06 signs, etc.) while a mere bulge would not be a violation.

Chas.

Solsand wrote:New to the forum- Question... If a business allows CC but no OC, do the rules against handgun being visible under clothing still apply? It IS a violation for weapon to be seen under clothing while CC correct?

In short no. Printing has no relevance under the rules that now clearly define the offence of intentional display.

I can wear a tee shirt so tight that you can tell the model of the gun with an arrow printed on the shirt pointing at the gun which says "gun here" and not be in violation of the intentional display rule for CC.

Now everything hinges on the intentionality of display and the type of open display holster.

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