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I guarantee that if one CHL holder would have fired on the first suspect coming through the door, they all would have scattered and ran immediately...

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And if even one of the 6 armed assailants started firing into or even at the restaurant? Mind you if I saw them coming and could fire as they were coming in I most likely would take that shot but everything has risk and pretending otherwise is believing in a fantasy. I'll risk it and try and defend myself and others if I can but I also realize that in doing so it is possible that someone innocent in the store ends up shot where they might not if I don't take action. Of course I might also save someone, but there are no guarantees

Due to a number of bad experiences in Houston in the 90s, I've learned the best way to survive an encounter with 6 thugs in a McDonalds in Houston is to avoid Houston altogether. That's been my plan for the last 15 years and I must say, it's worked out great.

locke_n_load wrote:I guarantee that if one CHL holder would have fired on the first suspect coming through the door, they all would have scattered and ran immediately...

Would have to have been a special (clairvoyant) person to recognize that "the first suspect coming through the door" would be followed by 5 others and that some or all would be armed.

In the end no shots were fired and no innocents were hurt which is the best outcome IMO.

I'm with jmra though honestly I would expand that "avoid altogether" to include not only Houston but all crappy fast food chains like McD's!

jmra wrote:Due to a number of bad experiences in Houston in the 90s, I've learned the best way to survive an encounter with 6 thugs in a McDonalds in Houston is to avoid Houston altogether. That's been my plan for the last 15 years and I must say, it's worked out great.

Now that you mention it, we haven't been in Houston since about 1998 either.

jmra wrote:Due to a number of bad experiences in Houston in the 90s, I've learned the best way to survive an encounter with 6 thugs in a McDonalds in Houston is to avoid Houston altogether. That's been my plan for the last 15 years and I must say, it's worked out great.

Yes, this method has worked out quite nicely for myself as well.

That would not end well

Dittos on the avoid Houston methodology, but my job takes me there occasionally. And I'll be darned if last time I was back I went to dinner at the original Pappadeux on Westheimer and noticed that I was being sized up and flanked by two "youths" in the parking lot. I assure youi was NOT just being paranoid.

I have to wonder if a CHL had been there and no oppertunity presented itself so the CHL complied and the thugs discovered his/her weapon what would have happened.

Another vote for Houston is a sewer to be avoided at all costs.

Yeah, would have to catch the first one or two coming in the door, after that you're pretty much screwed.
And yes, I believe that if I had to lay down on my stomach with my hands on my head, my weapon would probably become visible, at which point I would be shot and the weapon taken. So it's pretty much a crap-shoot either way. I would rather go out fighting, and as for the other patrons of the restaurant, you have no guarantee that they weren't going to just shoot everyone anyway, not that I would want to endanger them. Like I said, crap-shoot.
I live in houston about 6 miles away from this location... So avoiding Houston is a mute point for me.

When I go to any eatery, I always sit where I can watch the front door and the windows leading up to it. Eyeballing every entrant is my specialty.

A situation like this is real bad. Too many assailants and who knows if they will all run or if they will all start firing back. The problem isn't getting yourself shot as much as it is getting someone's child shot while we try to play a video game style shoot out.

As far as finding my gun, that is a possibility for sure but in this case I didn't see a report of them frisking people. They said to throw out your wallets. I have considered what I would do in a situation where they had the numbers and the drop on me. If possible, I would try to get my gun into my hand and hide that hand under my body. This would be a "break glass" in case of emergency use only. If the bad guys were leaving I would let them. If they start firing, I am ready.

03Lightningrocks wrote:When I go to any eatery, I always sit where I can watch the front door and the windows leading up to it. Eyeballing every entrant is my specialty.

A situation like this is real bad. Too many assailants and who knows if they will all run or if they will all start firing back. The problem isn't getting yourself shot as much as it is getting someone's child shot while we try to play a video game style shoot out.

As far as finding my gun, that is a possibility for sure but in this case I didn't see a report of them frisking people. They said to throw out your wallets. I have considered what I would do in a situation where they had the numbers and the drop on me. If possible, I would try to get my gun into my hand and hide that hand under my body. This would be a "break glass" in case of emergency use only. If the bad guys were leaving I would let them. If they start firing, I am ready.

Exactly, on all points.

locke_n_load wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:When I go to any eatery, I always sit where I can watch the front door and the windows leading up to it. Eyeballing every entrant is my specialty.

A situation like this is real bad. Too many assailants and who knows if they will all run or if they will all start firing back. The problem isn't getting yourself shot as much as it is getting someone's child shot while we try to play a video game style shoot out.

As far as finding my gun, that is a possibility for sure but in this case I didn't see a report of them frisking people. They said to throw out your wallets. I have considered what I would do in a situation where they had the numbers and the drop on me. If possible, I would try to get my gun into my hand and hide that hand under my body. This would be a "break glass" in case of emergency use only. If the bad guys were leaving I would let them. If they start firing, I am ready.

Exactly, on all points.

I've never contemplated it before, but for situations like these it sure would be nice to have a "dummy wallet". Put a few bucks in it along with some random business cards and some of those bogus credit cards you get in the mail with "John Smith" on them. Or you could just avoid Houston.

03Lightningrocks wrote:A situation like this is real bad.

Ain't that the truth. In a McDonald's, they qualify as petty thieves and I'd be inclined to lay quietly and give-up my wallet while hoping they don't find my firearm. If they did, I'd expect them only to take it with them.

In a bank though, we're talking hard-core criminals and I don't know WHAT I would do.