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Under Dash Holster

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:35 am
by Guns_n_Vettes
New to CHL (license manufacturing)

I am making a trip to Georgia am wanting to carry my pistol in a holster under the dash of my car. What I am looking at. http://www.gumcreekcustoms.com/cart.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Question is if that is legal. I know that on my own property I can carry my gun without being concealed is it the same in my own vehicle? According to the Recipocity Map
I will not be crossing enemy lines. Being a Lady and driving a Vette I am not going to be an easy target without a fight. Thanks in advance.

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:39 am
by G26ster
In Texas, CHL or not, a handgun in car must not be "in plain view."

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:50 am
by old farmer
G26ster wrote:In Texas, CHL or not, a gun in car must not be "in plain view."
:tiphat:
In my travels in the RV, the rt side of the driver has a space that holds the 1911 Officer and baseball cap on top or small hand towel. The holster would be better sit up.
Old Farmer
Just my two cent.

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:08 pm
by Skydivesnake
It's easy to get a cheap nylon holster from a big box sports store and install that beneath the driver's seat with some cable ties.

Most seats have all sorts of rails and supports with holes through them where you can loop the cable tie through, then through the belt loop part of the holster. I have such an arrangement and it is completely concealed but easily accessible and can be drawn in a stealthy manner while in the car, or while exiting.

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:22 pm
by Dave2
RoadRunnerTR21 wrote:I'm not sure how you could conceal that kind of setup without wrapping it up in something
By having it far enough under the dash so that it's not in plain view. Try walking around your car some time... you might be surprised how many nooks and crannies you can't see into from the outside. Or you might be able to see into all them... It kinda depends on what car you have (and how closely the color of your gun matches the color of your interior).

Standard legal disclaimer applies, of course.

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:24 pm
by TrueFlog
Keep in mind that in Georgia, it's illegal to have a gun concealed in your car. (The exact opposite of Texas) I'm not sure if that's still the law and whether it applies if you have a CHL. Be sure to do your own research. http://www.handgunlaw.us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:30 pm
by Dave2
TrueFlog wrote:Keep in mind that in Georgia, it's illegal to have a gun concealed in your car. (The exact opposite of Texas) I'm not sure if that's still the law and whether it applies if you have a CHL. Be sure to do your own research. http://www.handgunlaw.us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Huh... I did not know that.

So maybe if Guns_n_Vettes's 'vette is a convertible, she needs to come up with some sort of bracket that attaches to the center console or something and holds the gun against the underside of the roof, and just be sure to drive with the top up in some states and down in others.

Ok, that's probably not practical.

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:55 pm
by Guns_n_Vettes
Dave2 wrote:
RoadRunnerTR21 wrote:I'm not sure how you could conceal that kind of setup without wrapping it up in something
By having it far enough under the dash so that it's not in plain view. Try walking around your car some time... you might be surprised how many nooks and crannies you can't see into from the outside. Or you might be able to see into all them... It kinda depends on what car you have (and how closely the color of your gun matches the color of your interior).

Standard legal disclaimer applies, of course.

So it's considered concealed as you can't see it just looking in the car from the exterior or with the doors open/top down?
Dave2 wrote:
TrueFlog wrote:Keep in mind that in Georgia, it's illegal to have a gun concealed in your car. (The exact opposite of Texas) I'm not sure if that's still the law and whether it applies if you have a CHL. Be sure to do your own research. http://www.handgunlaw.us/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Huh... I did not know that.

So maybe if Guns_n_Vettes's 'vette is a convertible, she needs to come up with some sort of bracket that attaches to the center console or something and holds the gun against the underside of the roof, and just be sure to drive with the top up in some states and down in others.

Ok, that's probably not practical.
It is convertible and there is room between the visor and the roof. I carry it in the console right now but it's just not quickly accessible.
Skydivesnake wrote:It's easy to get a cheap nylon holster from a big box sports store and install that beneath the driver's seat with some cable ties.

Most seats have all sorts of rails and supports with holes through them where you can loop the cable tie through, then through the belt loop part of the holster. I have such an arrangement and it is completely concealed but easily accessible and can be drawn in a stealthy manner while in the car, or while exiting.
I will look into something like this. Maybe the most practical and safe way to go.

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:09 am
by TexasGal
Consider a high quality gun safe for those times when you may need to leave it in the car. And don't think those cables that loop around something to connect to a padlock will deter anyone. I had one of those on a lock box and my husband cut it in 10 seconds with the smallest bolt cutter (which can be easily hidden on a person). We needed to remove it and I had forgotten the combination to the lock. My next installation will be bolted down.

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:16 am
by Ericstac
G26ster wrote:In Texas, CHL or not, a handgun in car must not be "in plain view."

I've wondered, is "plain view" meaning while the car is not disturbed or at any time?

Example, dark tint, dark interior a black gun can sit on my seat and you can't see it at all. But if I was to asked to roll down my window, or open the door, then you will be able to see it.

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:34 am
by The Annoyed Man
Ericstac wrote:
G26ster wrote:In Texas, CHL or not, a handgun in car must not be "in plain view."

I've wondered, is "plain view" meaning while the car is not disturbed or at any time?

Example, dark tint, dark interior a black gun can sit on my seat and you can't see it at all. But if I was to asked to roll down my window, or open the door, then you will be able to see it.
If a highway patrolman walks up to your window to hand you a ticket, he must not be able to see the gun. Tinted windows = unconcealed.

It seems that if Georgia law doesn't allow non-CHLs to have a concealed weapon in the car, then hiding it is moot. However, according to opencarry.org, unlicensed people can OPEN CARRY in their vehicle only or in their glovebox in their vehicle if they do not have a license: http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=217. However, keep in mind that without a license, carrying a gun concealed or in the open within a GFSZ is a federal offense. If you don't know where the GFSZ is located or its boundaries, you could be placing yourself in a world of hurt.

Disclaimer: I am not an attorney in Georgia, and I have never played one on TV. If I were you, I would seek out a gun-friendly attorney in Georgia and make a quick phone call to confirm that these are the facts.

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:09 am
by Scott in Houston
TexasGal wrote:Consider a high quality gun safe for those times when you may need to leave it in the car. And don't think those cables that loop around something to connect to a padlock will deter anyone. I had one of those on a lock box and my husband cut it in 10 seconds with the smallest bolt cutter (which can be easily hidden on a person). We needed to remove it and I had forgotten the combination to the lock. My next installation will be bolted down.

No doubt that they are not a deterrent. If someone knows it's there, it's easy to defeat as you said, but I think they're still valuable and worth it. Most who break into a car are not going to have bolt cutters on them. It's usually a smash and grab scenario. In that case, the cable helps a lot!
Just keep the safe out of sight, including the cable. It will help in most auto-breakin scenarios.

Re: Under Dash Holster

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:29 am
by Dave2
Guns_n_Vettes wrote:
Dave2 wrote:
RoadRunnerTR21 wrote:I'm not sure how you could conceal that kind of setup without wrapping it up in something
By having it far enough under the dash so that it's not in plain view. Try walking around your car some time... you might be surprised how many nooks and crannies you can't see into from the outside. Or you might be able to see into all them... It kinda depends on what car you have (and how closely the color of your gun matches the color of your interior).

Standard legal disclaimer applies, of course.

So it's considered concealed as you can't see it just looking in the car from the exterior or with the doors open/top down?
In my opinion, yes, but I haven't asked a lawyer or cop about their opinion (I just want to emphasize that I'm not qualified to give you a "legal advice" answer to your question). It's generally a moot point for me since I usually just have my gun concealed on my person, but on occasion I've hidden one in a more convenient place.