Sign at Reliant Center

[Lucky45]

I went to the Houston Auto Show today at Reliant Center and saw they had a sign above the entry door. It was not a valid sign but the wording was amazing. It said to the effect that entry (or possession) of a handgun under the Texas Concealed Handgun Statute is not permited etc. That is as much as I could remember, but that brings me to my next point.
I wanted to take a picture of the sign which was white letters on clear glass to post here. First, the sign was way in the air above the lobby doors and you had to stand at all angles to read it. This is because you were looking up 15 - 20 ft and the walls and cieling in the lobby were painted white. This clicked in my mind to the time old discussion we always have online about the lettering on glass. You can't read it and worst is I was going to take a photo and realized that wasn't going to work with my phone.

So, anyone going to check out the Auto Show can try to get a photo of it for us and also see for yourself why a valid sign should have lettering in contrasting colors. This sign is a perfect example for discussion.

Also, can someone get the exact wording on the sign. thanks.

[bevans]

Was the sign just for the car show or for Reliant Center. I know for a fact that I didnt see that sign last week during the gun show , even though it isn't a valid sign who wants to be the test case.did you go ahead and carry anyway or did you lock your gun away.I have been told of some grumblings by some of the commitee men for the rodeo that were told they may not even bring a gun onto Reliant property,,, don't know if this is true or not ,could just be a misguided statement on someones behalf.I had planned to go to car show but if you can't carry I might rethink going.

[Lucky45]

Was the sign just for the car show or for Reliant Center

It was for the Reliant Center. It is written on the glass way above all the lobby entry doors to the main building.

I know for a fact that I didnt see that sign last week during the gun show

I went to the Gun show also and didn't see it, and never thought to look up either. So kinda wasn't in a conspicuous place.

did you go ahead and carry anyway or did you lock your gun away.

Bought my ticket and sprinted in .......then sat my rear in all the leather car seats.

even though it isn't a valid sign who wants to be the test case

I figured if they had thousands of people in there last week carrying handguns for a Gun show, you had to pass the same sign. Was the permission given, implied or did everyone ignore the sign?

[bigcarl64]

I am going to the Auto Show today. I will leave my handgun secured in my vehicle. I checked yesterday on Reliant Park website and found this under Security policies:


Security Policies
Reliant Park has implemented the following policies to ensure a safe, enjoyable event experience for all guests.
Security Checks
•All items allowed into Reliant Park facilities are subject to inspection. Bags larger than 11" x 17" and all backpacks will not be allowed. Lockers and storage areas are not available. Diaper bags are permitted and will be inspected.
Prohibited Items
•Items not permitted into Reliant Park facilities are inclusive of, but not limited to, the following:
o Video or audio recorders or similar devices
o Professional camera equipment or lenses over 12" in length
o Laser pointers
o Weapons/firearms
o Air horns/whistles or other noisemakers
o Backpacks, large bags 11" x 17" or sealed packages of any kind
o Bottles or cans
o Coolers or containers
o Fireworks
o Frisbees, beach balls, etc.
o Outside food or beverage (Exceptions are made for medical reasons and baby food)
•The following items are permitted into Reliant Park facilites: (All exceptions noted on event pages)
o Purses and diaper bags (Subject to inspection)
o Binoculars and cell phones (Subject to inspection)
Due to the fact that these additional security measures may cause slight delays, fans are encouraged to arrive early to allow adequate time to enter the facility.
Thank you for your cooperation with the enforcement of these necessary procedures.



I will try to get a picture of their no handgun sign and post this evening.

Carl

[Lucky45]

Hey bigcarl64,
Please do get that photo, I would appreciate it.

Items not permitted into Reliant Park facilities are inclusive of, but not limited to, the following:
o Weapons/firearms

Correct me if I'm wrong. When you go to certain events, that they have physical inspections at the door and if you are verbally told No firearms allowed, then that would be effective notice.
But since there was no inspection and just a random sign that was not worded to "Section 30.06" then it was not effective notice.


I know some people will say OK, but you get the jist of what they were implying...yada..yada. My answer is also you get the jist of what the banks, the malls, the restuarants, stores, gas stations, offices etc. are implying. So do you carry there? Think about it for a second before you answer.

[stevie_d_64]

Thank you for your cooperation with the enforcement of these necessary procedures.

Thank you for your submission with the enforcement of these un-Constitutional procedures.

Sorry, my sarcasm got the best of me just now...

Question, does anyone believe that an "Auto Show" is a "sporting event" as defined by the Texas Penal Code?

[srothstein]

To the best of my knowledge, "sporting event" is not a defined term and therefore has the common meaning for its legal meaning. No one I know of would consider a car show to be a sporting event.

But, isn't Reliant Center government owned? In that case, section 30.06 does not apply at all, no matter what notice is given. And 30.05 does not apply if the reason for the notice was a person carrying a firearm under the authority of a CHL, so you can carry a firearm and there is nothing they can legally do about it unless it is during a real sporting event.

Unless I am missing something, that is.

[Lucky45]

Thanks srothstein.

You see that you can learn something everyday. (Or forget what you learned.)

But, isn't Reliant Center government owned? In that case, section 30.06 does not apply at all, no matter what notice is given.

Reliant Park in its entirety is owned by the Harris County Sports and Convention Corporation. This is a governmental entity. Therefore,

PC §30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUN.
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased
by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under
Section 46.03 or 46.035.

Definition of "EXCEPTION" means "a case to which a rule does not apply." Merriam-Webster Dictionary. 2007

[longtooth]

Welcome to the baord bigcar. Glad to have you.
Looking forward to seeing the sign.

[stevie_d_64]

Thanks srothstein.

You see that you can learn something everyday. (Or forget what you learned.)

But, isn't Reliant Center government owned? In that case, section 30.06 does not apply at all, no matter what notice is given.

Reliant Park in its entirety is owned by the Harris County Sports and Convention Corporation. This is a governmental entity. Therefore,

PC §30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUN.
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased
by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under
Section 46.03 or 46.035.

Definition of "EXCEPTION" means "a case to which a rule does not apply." Merriam-Webster Dictionary. 2007

Bingo! you win a cookie!

[bigcarl64]

Here it is. Glare was pretty bad.

[Lucky45]

Thanks bigcarl64. Lets see where the debate goes from here.

Also, would like to see if anyone knows what it says above the word Weapons. As far as my memory goes, I think this is actually halfway through the list of things written on the glass. There is like 6 or more lines above that sentence.

[Venus Pax]

That is NOT 30.06 wording.

[bevans]

Even though its not a compliant sign what are the repercussions of getting caught with your gun inside.Do they ask you to leave or do they arrest you or worse and does anybody know of this happening.

[Mithras61]

Considering that it is a non-compliant sign, I think the worst they can do is ask you to leave & verbally give notice that you aren't welcome with a concealed handgun.

IF it really is a governmentally owned facility (I don't know who "Harris County Sports and Convention Corporation" is), they don't fall under 30.06, so you couldn't be arrested with trespass under 30.06 (of course, that wouldn't stop the DA in Houston from having you arrested and prosecuting you just like they do with traveling).

I don't know if HPD knows the law concerning CHL carry & trespassing, and I'm pretty sure I don't want to test them on it. They may think this is perferctly legit signage.

I think I would carry unless they have metal detectors at the door or people that are frisking everyone who wants to come in, because the sign doesn't comply with the law regardless of who owns the facility and it doesn't fall under any of the other prohibitions. The worst they can legally do is to ask me to leave.