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I do carry and never had an issue. However, I find it a very bad idea to carry and have no pre-incident good lawyer on board when I have to draw my firearm in self-defense.
Thus, I would like to know about any good lawyer for us CHL who would treat us very well in case we need his time and services. I would like to get to know a good CHL lawyer who will not bankrupt us in time of crisis.

I live in greater DFW and any referral to such good lawyer is helpful.

Thanks,

You might want to check out http://www.chlpp.com

I would suggest joining TSRA, if you are involved with any incident give them a call and they should provide you with a lawyer who can do the job.

I like the CHLPP, does the membership with TSRA includes NO cost legal defense by criminal attorney?

I've been looking into this as well. Anyone on here use this service. Any opinions on te matter?

I did a search for someone that understood the CHL. What I found for my area was Tim Powers, located in Denton. He is a criminal defense lawyer and very familiar with the handgun statutes. There was no retainer and he stated that if needed, a phone call was all that was required to get things started. Was not a very long conversation but I walked away truly feeling that I had someone watching my back if needed.

Beiruty wrote:I like the CHLPP, does the membership with TSRA includes NO cost legal defense by criminal attorney?

Nope.

And paying the retainer to CHLPP does not provide NO legal cost defense either!

You will end up paying lots of money if you ever need defense for a shooting incident. Bottom Line......

My opinion is that until proven guilty the access to law/courts should be no cost to citizens. And I do not agree with any "Court Costs" either. It is all bull as far as I am concerned. Just another money grab.

But, with the new procedure of "The Chosen One" by making the new ways of arrest/prosecution lean toward GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT, I have no faith at all........

Another option that may be open to you is Texas Concealed Handgun Association (http://www.txchia.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). This one was recommended by our CHL instructor.

Please remember, I'm only suggesting. I am not saying any of these will work for you, but they are options.

AEA wrote:Nope.

And paying the retainer to CHLPP does not provide NO legal cost defense either!

Assuming we're not including the price of membership to the CHLPP, your assertion directly contradicts the information given on the CHLPP's website.

Do you have a cite or specific anecdotal circumstance that validates your claim? Or, were you just stating your opinion?

HKUSP45C wrote:

AEA wrote:Nope. And paying the retainer to CHLPP does not provide NO legal cost defense either!

Assuming we're not including the price of membership to the CHLPP, your assertion directly contradicts the information given on the CHLPP's website.
Do you have a cite or specific anecdotal circumstance that validates your claim? Or, were you just stating your opinion?

Directly from CHLPP Website wrote:CHLPP will retain an experienced qualified local criminal defense attorney where you were arrested. The attorney CHLPP retains will pursue the member's case until there is a dismissal, no-bill by a Grand Jury (in those states which have a Grand Jury system), and the return of all your seized firearm(s) and related property. With CHLPP there are NO deductibles, co-pays, or limits. CHLPP members pay nothing out of their own pockets.

This is the direct quote from CHLPP. It says they will retain an attorney until there is a dismissal or no-bill. If the charges are not dismissed and/or you are indicted they don't cover your defense. Statements and/or promises posted on a website are not a legal contract. IANAL, but that is my non-legal opinion.

WildBill wrote:

HKUSP45C wrote:

AEA wrote:Nope. And paying the retainer to CHLPP does not provide NO legal cost defense either!

Assuming we're not including the price of membership to the CHLPP, your assertion directly contradicts the information given on the CHLPP's website.
Do you have a cite or specific anecdotal circumstance that validates your claim? Or, were you just stating your opinion?

Directly from CHLPP Website wrote:CHLPP will retain an experienced qualified local criminal defense attorney where you were arrested. The attorney CHLPP retains will pursue the member's case until there is a dismissal, no-bill by a Grand Jury (in those states which have a Grand Jury system), and the return of all your seized firearm(s) and related property. With CHLPP there are NO deductibles, co-pays, or limits. CHLPP members pay nothing out of their own pockets.

This is the direct quote from CHLPP. It says they will retain an attorney until there is a dismissal or no-bill. If the charges are not dismissed and/or you are indicted they don't cover your defense. Statements and/or promises posted on a website are not a legal contract. IANAL, but that is my non-legal opinion.

I guess I just assumed none of us would murder anyone.

WildBill wrote:This is the direct quote from CHLPP. It says they will retain an attorney until there is a dismissal or no-bill. If the charges are not dismissed and/or you are indicted they don't cover your defense. Statements and/or promises posted on a website are not a legal contract. IANAL, but that is my non-legal opinion.

HKUSP45C wrote: Assuming we're not including the price of membership to the CHLPP, your assertion directly contradicts the information given on the CHLPP's website.
Do you have a cite or specific anecdotal circumstance that validates your claim? Or, were you just stating your opinion?

OK, I have nothing to cite.....it is my opinion.......now, that being said, let's say your attorney is in fact taken care of as stated above up to and including a no-bill. That does not cover expert testimony, research, paperwork, filings, and all the other stuff associated with a prosecution. Not to mention what it is gonna take if you are found at fault and indicted by the GJ and stand trial.

Those are my points, for your consideration.

AEA wrote:

WildBill wrote:This is the direct quote from CHLPP. It says they will retain an attorney until there is a dismissal or no-bill. If the charges are not dismissed and/or you are indicted they don't cover your defense. Statements and/or promises posted on a website are not a legal contract. IANAL, but that is my non-legal opinion.

HKUSP45C wrote: Assuming we're not including the price of membership to the CHLPP, your assertion directly contradicts the information given on the CHLPP's website.
Do you have a cite or specific anecdotal circumstance that validates your claim? Or, were you just stating your opinion?

OK, I have nothing to cite.....it is my opinion.......now, that being said, let's say your attorney is in fact taken care of as stated above up to and including a no-bill. That does not cover expert testimony, research, paperwork, filings, and all the other stuff associated with a prosecution. Not to mention what it is gonna take if you are found at fault by the GJ and stand trial.

Those are my points.

It actually says "No, your legal expenses up to and through dismissal, acquittal, or conviction with the return of all your seized property will be covered by the CHL Protection Plan." Which I take to mean that you won't pay for any of the things you've listed. Of course I have no more info than you do (not being a member) other than taking them at their word.

If you're found at fault and stand trial in Texas something has gone horribly, horribly awry, assuming you were right in shooting in the first place. In a case where a GJ actually indicts on a clear case of self defense the problems of your legal bills are seemingly "small potatos." I would, at that point, be much more worried about the liklihood of the rest of my life being wasted in jail or the fact that the Texas legal system is no longer functioning correctly.

Heck Joe Horn walked out of a GJ trial with a no-bill and I know dozens of "self defense" advocates who though he should have swung. Incidently, I'm not one of them but, that's a whole different topic.

It just seems, to me, that many are painting the service with a brush that smacks of "too good to be true" with no evidence to back up the claim. I like to give companies, even lawyers, the benefit of the doubt in the absence of contrary evidence.

I'll add one last point ... this is an insurance plan that is amazingly profitable. Virtually none of us will ever actually need our weapons for self defense. The few of us that may end up using them will have a statistically insignificant number that actually pull the trigger. Of that minute group a smaller still sub-sret will actually kill their aggressor.

If they got 10 people to pay dues for four years they could offer free service to every other member for life and likely still turn a profit. It doesn't seem so far-fetched, to me, that they can actually (and do, actualy) do everything they advertise. Or, that's my thoughts on it, anyway.

ETA:
Curiousity got the better of me so I called them and asked. The CSR that answered said "If you are true-billed or have to go to full blown trial (in the case of a state lacking a GJ process) that they would continue to represent you BUT there would be additional expenses incuured by the member." (this is pretty close to verbatim.) Which, I suppose is only logical and a sound business practice since appeals and trials can last lifetimes.

AEA wrote:My opinion is that until proven guilty the access to law/courts should be no cost to citizens. And I do not agree with any "Court Costs" either. It is all bull as far as I am concerned. Just another money grab.

It's disgusting that Bobby the Robber who never worked an honest day in his life and never paid taxes gets a free lawyer at taxpayer expense. But Joan the Plumber who works hard and pays her taxes has to hire a defense lawyer at her own expense when she shoots Bobby in her bedroom at 2am when he breaks in to rape her and steal her jewelry.

roberts wrote:

AEA wrote:My opinion is that until proven guilty the access to law/courts should be no cost to citizens. And I do not agree with any "Court Costs" either. It is all bull as far as I am concerned. Just another money grab.

It's disgusting that Bobby the Robber who never worked an honest day in his life and never paid taxes gets a free lawyer at taxpayer expense. But Joan the Plumber who works hard and pays her taxes has to hire a defense lawyer at her own expense when she shoots Bobby in her bedroom at 2am when he breaks in to rape her and steal her jewelry.

Last time I checked, public defenders are available to anyone who asks for them to take the case. Regardless of their financial status.