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Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:56 pm
by ml1209
What an idiot.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/met ... 48716.html


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Former VT student fights to keep guns off Texas campus


AUSTIN — John Woods sometimes sits in a classroom at the University of Texas and wonders what would happen if somebody walked in and started shooting.

In April 2007, he was a student at Virginia Tech when his girlfriend and several other people he knew there were gunned down in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history. Thirty-two people died, plus the gunman.

There were times when Woods thought that maybe he should get a gun.

“Then I learned pretty fast that wouldn’t solve anything,” said Woods, who is now a graduate student at UT. “The idea that somebody could stop a school shooting with a gun is impossible. It’s reactive, not preventative.”

Today, Woods is among the leaders in a fight against bills in the Texas Legislature that would allow licensed concealed gun carriers to take their weapons to school.

A public hearing is set for Monday in the House Public Safety Committee on one bill, sponsored by Rep. Joe Driver, a Garland Republican.

Supporters say the bills would protect the rights of those licensed to carry concealed weapons and help prevent a massacre on the scale of what happened at Virginia Tech and another shooting last year at Northern Illinois University, where five were killed and 18 wounded.

Texas issued 73,090 licenses in fiscal year 2008. The state requires applicants to pass a training course, pass a criminal background check and be at least 21 years old. Texas campuses are gun-free zones.

“These are individuals who are already licensed and allowed to carry weapons. What marks the imaginary line of college campuses?” said Katie Kasprzak, a recent Texas State University graduate and spokeswoman for Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a group that claims more than 37,000 members.

If gunfire erupted on campus, “Would you rather sit and just take shot for shot or would you rather have a chance to fight back?” asked Kasprzak, who has a concealed weapons license.

State Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio, sponsor of the Senate bill, said students, faculty and staff are “sitting ducks” if someone starts blasting.

“I have no desire to wake up one morning and read in the newspaper, or hear on the radio, or watch on television a news report that 32 Texas college students were gunned down like sitting ducks by some deranged gunman,” Wentworth said.

Opponents say that if guns are allowed on campus, students and faculty will live in fear of classmates and colleagues, not knowing who might pull a gun over a drunken dorm argument or a poor grade.

According to the Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence, similar bills have been filed in 18 states since 2008 and all have failed, although lawmakers in a few states are trying again.

Texas is one of seven states currently considering legislation.

“We hope Texas will serve as a leader and have a domino effect,” Kasprzak said.

Of the 150 House members, 70 have signed on in support of Drivers’ bill. In the Senate, 12 of 31 senators signed in support of Wentworth’s bill.

The idea has met stiff opposition at the University of Texas, which has its own history of shooting violence. Charles Whitman’s 1966 rifle attack from the top of the university tower killed 16 people and wounded dozens more. It was the worst campus shooting until the Virginia Tech bloodbath.

The UT student government, the graduate student assembly and the faculty advisory council have all passed resolutions against the campus guns bills.

“It’s a recipe for disaster,” said Brian Malte, state legislation and politics director for the Brady Campaign.

Woods has helped lead the charge against the bills and filed the student government resolution opposing them.

Woods, who wore a maroon “Virginia Tech Class of 2007” T-shirt during an interview, said he hasn’t heard from any survivor of the Virginia Tech shooting who supports guns on campus.

He figures a classroom shooting would be too sudden to stop, even if a student or teacher had a gun.

“Everything happens too quickly,” Woods said. “You either play dead or you are dead.”

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:14 pm
by kd5zex
“The idea that somebody could stop a school shooting with a gun is impossible."
What!?!? :headscratch
"It’s reactive, not preventative.”
Yes, that's the point.
“Everything happens too quickly,” Woods said. “You either play dead or you are dead.”
Just goes to show the how deep the conditioning goes. Even after being "exposed", although I gather from the article he was not actually present during the shooting, he feels that he is helpless.

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:21 pm
by flintknapper
kd5zex wrote:
“The idea that somebody could stop a school shooting with a gun is impossible."
What!?!? :headscratch
"It’s reactive, not preventative.”
Yes, that's the point.
“Everything happens too quickly,” Woods said. “You either play dead or you are dead.”
Just goes to show the how deep the conditioning goes. Even after being "exposed", although I gather from the article he was not actually present during the shooting, he feels that he is helpless.

Good job there parents! :roll:

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:38 pm
by ClarkLZeuss
ml1209 wrote: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/met ... 48716.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dissected:
There were times when Woods thought that maybe he should get a gun.

“Then I learned pretty fast that wouldn’t solve anything,” said Woods, who is now a graduate student at UT. “The idea that somebody could stop a school shooting with a gun is impossible. It’s reactive, not preventative.”
True. You would need a machine gun to stop a school shooting, so let's legalize those! Seriously, though, can you think of a better way to react to a madman with a gun than with a gun of your own?
Opponents say that if guns are allowed on campus, students and faculty will live in fear of classmates and colleagues, not knowing who might pull a gun over a drunken dorm argument or a poor grade.
Same tired arguments used against CHL in the first place. Substitute "dorm argument" with "parking space," "slow moving grocery line," "action movie," etc.
The idea has met stiff opposition at the University of Texas, which has its own history of shooting violence. Charles Whitman’s 1966 rifle attack from the top of the university tower killed 16 people and wounded dozens more. It was the worst campus shooting until the Virginia Tech bloodbath, but unlike the VT shooting the UT shooting was stopped by people with guns.
is how it should have read.
“It’s a recipe for disaster,” said Brian Malte, state legislation and politics director for the Brady Campaign.
No explanation given.
Woods, who wore a maroon “Virginia Tech Class of 2007” T-shirt during an interview, said he hasn’t heard from any survivor of the Virginia Tech shooting who supports guns on campus.
I hate to even say this, but what does he think the victims were thinking as they were being shot? Does he really believe not one person wished they had the ability to defend themselves?
He figures a classroom shooting would be too sudden to stop, even if a student or teacher had a gun.

“Everything happens too quickly,” Woods said. “You either play dead or you are dead.”
Or you fight back.

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:41 pm
by ClarkLZeuss
kd5zex wrote:
"It’s reactive, not preventative.”
Yes, that's the point.
I know. It's like this: I fully support efforts to prevent violent murderers, but I doubt humankind will ever figure that on our own. Thus the need to sometimes react to violence with equal and opposing force. And hey don't blame me! Newton came up with that one.

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:06 pm
by Oldgringo
Texas campuses are gun-free zones.
IIRC, Va Tech is also a gun-free zone. We know where Woods has gone to school, but where is he from?

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:22 pm
by boomerang
Oldgringo wrote:
Texas campuses are gun-free zones.
IIRC, Va Tech is also a gun-free zone. We know where Woods has gone to school, but where is he from?
Maybe he's a OCDO mole. "rlol"

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:39 am
by WEC
ml1209 wrote:Image
Complete with the Obama pin on his backpack. Lovely.

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:18 am
by KD5NRH
ml1209 wrote:"It’s reactive, not preventative.”
As are seat belts, fire extinguishers, first aid kits, emergency rooms, and, oh yeah, police. Ban them all.

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:39 am
by Fangs
Someone should show them this VR sim:

No student guns: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGFLmwaMCX4

One student gun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qfPSEICJDI

THERE IS SOME VULGAR TEXT

Campus Carry news article

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:30 pm
by CainA
Ok, so your girlfriend gets gunned down in the Virginia Tech massacre along with some of your friends, that's why you are anti-campus carry, makes sense to me(insert sarcasm here). I really love the last few sentences in the article. Here they are for anyone that doesn't want to read that far down:


link:
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He figures a classroom shooting would be too sudden to stop, even if a student or teacher had a gun.

"Everything happens too quickly," Woods said. "You either play dead or you are dead."
-Cain

Re: Campus Carry news article

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:33 pm
by Keith B
While you may not be able to stop a shooting from happening, you sure may be able to keep it from continuing. If a person gets the drop on you before you have time to draw, you are done for. But while they are shooting others, I may very well get the opportunity to take them out and prevent further injuries or loss of life.

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:50 pm
by familyman
"Opponents say that if guns are allowed on campus, students and faculty will live in fear of classmates and colleagues, not knowing who might pull a gun over a drunken dorm argument or a poor grade."

Gun Free Zone is not going to prevent a person who is set to use a gun to commite a crime from doing so.

Gun Free Zone + Sitting Ducks = Victom rich Enviroment!

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:04 pm
by glocklvr
ml1209 wrote:Texas campuses are gun-free zones
gun free zones make me nervous

Re: Ex-VT student fights to keep TX campuses gun-free

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:24 pm
by casingpoint
Woods, who wore a maroon
There's his problem. Latent Aggie.