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HLSR

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:02 am
by familyman
Please refreash my memory.
I thought that a sporting event like a rodeo was off limits.

Thanks for your comments.
FM

Re: HLSR

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:20 am
by Keith B
familyman wrote:Please refreash my memory.
I thought that a sporting event like a rodeo was off limits.

Thanks for your comments.
FM
Professional sporting events are off limits. If it is a PRCA rodeo, then it is the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Assoc., so it is a professional event.

Re: HLSR

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:19 pm
by hirundo82
Reliant Stadium would be off-limits to CHl under PC Section 46.035 while the rodeo is taking place, but not during concerts or other non-sporting events.

Other events on the grounds--the carnival, the livestock show--would be fine for carry, and any 30.06 notice would be invalid since Reliant Park is owned by a govenmental organization (Harris County-Houston Sports Authority).

Re: HLSR

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:23 pm
by barres
Hirundo82 has it right, except that the concert is part of the rodeo, so it would be off-limits, as well. But carry away to the shows, auctions, carnival, etc. Just don't go armed to the rodeo. Which becomes difficult now that it is almost impossible to park at Reliant Park, so you can't easily carry to everything else and then slip off to your car to stow your CCW before the rodeo. Just something to consider...

Re: HLSR

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:04 pm
by tarkus
barres wrote:Hirundo82 has it right, except that the concert is part of the rodeo, so it would be off-limits, as well. But carry away to the shows, auctions, carnival, etc. Just don't go armed to the rodeo. Which becomes difficult now that it is almost impossible to park at Reliant Park, so you can't easily carry to everything else and then slip off to your car to stow your CCW before the rodeo. Just something to consider...
The concert is a professional sporting event?

Re: HLSR

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:53 pm
by Aggie_engr
I was about to post a similar question, how is the concert a professional sporting event? I was thinking maybe one could skip the rodeo part and just come in for the concert? :confused5

Re: HLSR

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:59 am
by barres
The concert is during the rodeo in the rodeo arena. They are not separate events. You could argue that you got to the event after the rodeo events were over and were there only for the concert, but the ticket is for the two combined, so there would be no way to prove it. You cannot buy a ticket for the concert only or for the rodeo only. Legally, I believe you'd be up that well known creek without a paddle. I am, however, not a lawyer, so do not take my position on this as legal advice.

Re: HLSR

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:06 am
by KD5NRH
barres wrote:You could argue that you got to the event after the rodeo events were over and were there only for the concert, but the ticket is for the two combined, so there would be no way to prove it.
Isn't that shifting the burden of proof to the wrong side?

Re: HLSR

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:31 pm
by Aggie_engr
Ahh, I see what you're saying now barres. ;-)

Re: HLSR

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:41 am
by barres
KD5NRH wrote:
barres wrote:You could argue that you got to the event after the rodeo events were over and were there only for the concert, but the ticket is for the two combined, so there would be no way to prove it.
Isn't that shifting the burden of proof to the wrong side?
Except that you were in the Rodeo arena, holding a ticket to the rodeo. That they'll prove easily. They'll also tell the jury in closing that "of course the defendant will tell you that he came only for the concert. He doesn't want to be convicted." Will you be able to find any independent (not friends or family) witnesses that will testify under oath that you came only for the concert and were paying enough attention to you and not the rodeo/concert to convince the jury to trust you more than the DA? That may be a chance you're willing to take, but it's not one I would be willing to take. I'm not trying to be obtuse about this, I just don't see how you could win this fight in court. But maybe you're a better lawyer than I am (which wouldn't be difficult, because I'm not one :lol: ). In any case, be as safe as you can getting to and from the concert!

Re: HLSR

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 9:46 am
by Tass
I would think the other factor would be that you cannot buy a ticket for the concert only. Tickets are for the rodeo. The concert is additional entertainment (like the chuck wagon races), second to the sporting event-the rodeo.

Tass

Re: HLSR

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:06 pm
by boomerang
That sounds like a good reason to spend money somewhere else instead.

Re: HLSR

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:22 am
by Bob Landry
Instead of splitting hairs here, why don't you belly up to the plate and volunteer to be the test case. The law is pretty specific and it is what it is. Be sure to let us know how that works out for you..

Re: HLSR

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:06 am
by stevie_d_64
boomerang wrote:That sounds like a good reason to spend money somewhere else instead.
+1...If you've seen one HLSR, you've seen them all...

Re: HLSR

Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:10 am
by longtooth
KD5NRH wrote:
barres wrote:You could argue that you got to the event after the rodeo events were over and were there only for the concert, but the ticket is for the two combined, so there would be no way to prove it.
Isn't that shifting the burden of proof to the wrong side?
With a REALLY good lawyer you just might win that one in court. You wont beat the ride or the day in court.
The only question is "Do you have enough $$$$$$$$$$s to be the test case."??????