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Just curious, I bought my Kimber at a gun show and on my way in it said all guns needed to be unloaded. All guns were being checked and zip-tied to verify they were unloaded. I didn't have a CHL at the time so I didn't know what a legal sign was, but my question is if it is at a convention center or similar building and isn't 30.06 posted, what do you do? Do you carry anyway since it's not illegal to do so?

Thanks,
Rock

rockusaf wrote:Just curious, I bought my Kimber at a gun show and on my way in it said all guns needed to be unloaded. All guns were being checked and zip-tied to verify they were unloaded. I didn't have a CHL at the time so I didn't know what a legal sign was, but my question is if it is at a convention center or similar building and isn't 30.06 posted, what do you do? Do you carry anyway since it's not illegal to do so?

I do, but I also have a strict personal policy that my concealed handgun stays concealed. That means no trying out new holsters, accessories, etc., for that particular pistol.

Wireties can't idiot-proof a gun; they can only slow the idiots down, and only then if they're not particularly determined in their idiocy.

I've never grasped the logic of, "In order to prevent accidents by the tiny minority who might pull out and handle their loaded concealed handguns, we're going to make everyone pull out and handle their loaded concealed handguns." Clearing and loading are the two operations most likely to result in a discharge. I'd rather they just stay in the holster.

Because I'm a cruffler, I generally carry a notebook organizer that has copies of my C&R FFL and some reference materials. I'm always asked at the door if it's a pistol, because all guns have to be checked and tied. I smile and say no, and go about my business.

Kevin

Spent the morning at the show here in El Paso. There are two signs by the front door - the first one states that all firearms must be unloaded and zip-strapped/tagged at the door. Second sign states all concealed handguns must remain concealed. If you need to take it out for any reason (such as to try on a holster) you have to take it to your car and unload it first, then have it zip-strapped at the door like any other firearm.

So, let me get this straight.....If you go to a Gun SHow you don't have to check in your gun of you are going to leave it in the holster?

Jim

Jim101 wrote:So, let me get this straight.....If you go to a Gun SHow you don't have to check in your gun of you are going to leave it in the holster?

Jim

I think it may fall under the "don't ask don't tell" sort of thing.

If you are carrying concealed...as you should be, and plan on leaving it concealed...then...who would know?

One possible issue would be if they were to come over the PA and remind everyone that "all guns have to be ziptied" then that might serve as effective verbal notice.

-nick

I unload at the door, drop the mag in my pocket and get it ziptied. If the goo hits the propeller while I'm inside the gunshow I know I can rip off the tie and load up pretty fast.

HighV.,

Good idea.............

Jim

This is one of those things that has always puzzled me Gunshow or no gunshow Concealed means that - Concealed, unless you just purchased it and it has no box.

I'm coming to the conclusion that if I don't see the 30.06 I'm carrying. Of course since I've been in a motorcycle accident and I'm on percocet and muscle relaxers I'm not carrying anywhere anytime soon.

Rock

rockusaf wrote:I'm coming to the conclusion that if I don't see the 30.06 I'm carrying. Of course since I've been in a motorcycle accident and I'm on percocet and muscle relaxers I'm not carrying anywhere anytime soon.

Rock

I went to one at Relient Center a while back for a gun show and it was posted 30.06. I reckon if it is properly posted, you can't carry. If not properly posted, keep it concealed. I've heard of people taking their concealed weapon out to check the fit of a holster they were purchasing and that is a very bad idea, in my opion.. for what it is worth.

I went to the Saxet Gun Show in Austin last weekend and was pleasantly suprised to find no signs and no one enforcing any ban on Concealed Carry. There was someone there to zip tie guns that people wanted to have looked at but that was it.

ih8h8ers wrote:I went to the Saxet Gun Show in Austin last weekend and was pleasantly suprised to find no signs and no one enforcing any ban on Concealed Carry. There was someone there to zip tie guns that people wanted to have looked at but that was it.

REALLY? Well dang! They have changed their mind then. Every time I have been to the SAXET, they have had a legal and valid 30.06 sign. Any chance that you just missed it? I hope not, because I would really prefer not to leave it in my car...

There is a chance I missed it but I was expecting to see one and wasn't carrying at the time. I did look, but I get a little giddy around all of those toys.

Maybe someone else went to the show and can confirm or debunk my claim.

I’ve always felt that posting 30.06 signs at gun shows, then allowing CHL’s to bring unloaded guns into the building was interesting. The only way to keep a CHL off property with a gun is by complying with TPC §30.06 (sign, card, or verbal notice). §30.06 doesn’t distinguish between loaded or unloaded handguns; if a 30.06 sign is present, you can’t go in even if your gun is unloaded.

However, if the property owner invites you in with an unloaded handgun, he/she just gave you effective consent to enter with a gun, so the 30.06 sign means nothing. Some have argued that, in such circumstances, the property owner set requirements for entry, i.e. an unloaded gun, but §30.06 doesn’t provide for that - it’s all or nothing. Either the property owner uses §30.06 to exclude you or they don’t.

Regards,
Chas.

That is interresting... has it been tested in court yet?