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I let my LTC expire
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:44 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
Now that constitutional carry has passed, I decided to allow my LTC expire. There were some "complications" I could have resolved but after thinking about it, decided not to renew. I have believed asking the government for permission to exercise my rights has been wrong all along. So for now. No LTC for me. So far I have not been forbidden carry anywhere my LTC allowed carry. It has always bothered me asking for approval to carry anyway. I may change my mind later but for now, that is what I am doing.
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:23 am
by Outnumbered
I'm sure plenty of folks will do the same. I'm in HEB way too often to not have an LTC.
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:13 am
by K.Mooneyham
For me personally, two things outweigh NOT having the LTC. One, the reciprocity to travel across multiple states legally carrying. Two, being able to NOT wait around in the LGS when buying a firearm. I just fill out the paperwork, pay them money, and I'm on my way with the firearm.
However, I do understand the rationale for NOT renewing.
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:16 am
by tomneal
I renewed in 2021 before constitutional carry took affect. So... I have 4 or 5 years to watch and decide. Last years process was so cheap and easy, that I expect I will renew again when my current CHL expires.
As always, "Your Mileage May Vary".
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:46 am
by Tex1961
K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:13 am
For me personally, two things outweigh NOT having the LTC. One, the reciprocity to travel across multiple states legally carrying. Two, being able to NOT wait around in the LGS when buying a firearm. I just fill out the paperwork, pay them money, and I'm on my way with the firearm.
However, I do understand the rationale for NOT renewing.
1. Reciprocity
2. Faster firearm purchases
3. Passing 30.05 signs. Which I think more and more will go up.
I get the whole 2a thing as well, but them’s the law whether or not you like it. And until it changes why limit yourself. Something that I’ve had multiple discussions about with students, especially young black men is perception. Getting pulled over with a firearm and pulling out your LTC vs not having one can really make a difference in LEO interactions. Especially for them. You can put whatever spin you want on that one, but I’m just trying to be a realist. I also think in a SD situation having your LTC is always going to be more favorably viewed by a grand jury.
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:50 am
by Mike S
Keep in mind that if you change your mind you'll have up to a year to renew an expired LTC before the DPS purges your data. If you decide to renew within a year, it's just the online renewal & fee.
If you wait more than a year after expiration, it'll be as if you never had an LTC & require an original application, class/range, & new fingerprints.
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:55 am
by Paladin
Totally understand your perspective 03Lightningrocks.
I know that before I got my license that it seemed criminal for someone to require me get a license when my right to carry is enumerated in the Constitution.
I still get a lot of utility out of the LTC, so I keep it, but truly the Constitution is my LTC
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:07 am
by 03Lightningrocks
Thanks for all the great input. To be honest, I forgot about being able to forgo the background check. I haven't purchased a firearm in a couple years. I pretty much had about every firearm I desired. Money has been tight for me.
Anyway, thanks again for the input fellows. That was exactly why I posted that. I will say that my main reason has to do with asking the governments permission to exercise a constitutional right. That has bugged me since day one.
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:58 am
by oohrah
Besides the fact that I will resume out of state travel, I also attend class at my local community college, and I carry concealed there. So, I need to keep my LTC.
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:42 pm
by powerboatr
Tex1961 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:46 am
K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:13 am
For me personally, two things outweigh NOT having the LTC. One, the reciprocity to travel across multiple states legally carrying. Two, being able to NOT wait around in the LGS when buying a firearm. I just fill out the paperwork, pay them money, and I'm on my way with the firearm.
However, I do understand the rationale for NOT renewing.
1. Reciprocity
2. Faster firearm purchases
3. Passing 30.05 signs. Which I think more and more will go up.
I get the whole 2a thing as well, but them’s the law whether or not you like it. And until it changes why limit yourself. Something that I’ve had multiple discussions about with students, especially young black men is perception. Getting pulled over with a firearm and pulling out your LTC vs not having one can really make a difference in LEO interactions. Especially for them. You can put whatever spin you want on that one, but I’m just trying to be a realist. I also think in a SD situation having your LTC is always going to be more favorably viewed by a grand jury.
ditto all the above for me as well
i tend to go from texas to fl often and having a ltc allows me to carry easy.
whereas constitutional carry does not give me that option in some states
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:29 pm
by Hoodasnacks
Isn't there also a difference as to what can happen in a school zone, e.g. "zone" vs "premises." For example, with a LTC, I can pull to the curb or walk up to the door to pick up my son from school, whereas without, I would be in violation. Perhaps I remember the law incorrectly.
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:36 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
powerboatr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:42 pm
Tex1961 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:46 am
K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:13 am
For me personally, two things outweigh NOT having the LTC. One, the reciprocity to travel across multiple states legally carrying. Two, being able to NOT wait around in the LGS when buying a firearm. I just fill out the paperwork, pay them money, and I'm on my way with the firearm.
However, I do understand the rationale for NOT renewing.
1. Reciprocity
2. Faster firearm purchases
3. Passing 30.05 signs. Which I think more and more will go up.
I get the whole 2a thing as well, but them’s the law whether or not you like it. And until it changes why limit yourself. Something that I’ve had multiple discussions about with students, especially young black men is perception. Getting pulled over with a firearm and pulling out your LTC vs not having one can really make a difference in LEO interactions. Especially for them. You can put whatever spin you want on that one, but I’m just trying to be a realist. I also think in a SD situation having your LTC is always going to be more favorably viewed by a grand jury.
ditto all the above for me as well
i tend to go from texas to fl often and having a ltc allows me to carry easy.
whereas constitutional carry does not give me that option in some states
I do believe I saw on he news that Florida is working on getting constitutional carry! Most of the reasons, maybe all except the background bypass, don't exist for me. Kids are grown so no school property appearances. I really don't travel anywhere outside Texas. I worry we will be forced to build a wall to keep the rest of the country out and don't want to risk being on the wrong side of it. LOL
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 10:59 pm
by powerboatr
03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:36 pm
powerboatr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:42 pm
Tex1961 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:46 am
K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:13 am
For me personally, two things outweigh NOT having the LTC. One, the reciprocity to travel across multiple states legally carrying. Two, being able to NOT wait around in the LGS when buying a firearm. I just fill out the paperwork, pay them money, and I'm on my way with the firearm.
However, I do understand the rationale for NOT renewing.
1. Reciprocity
2. Faster firearm purchases
3. Passing 30.05 signs. Which I think more and more will go up.
I get the whole 2a thing as well, but them’s the law whether or not you like it. And until it changes why limit yourself. Something that I’ve had multiple discussions about with students, especially young black men is perception. Getting pulled over with a firearm and pulling out your LTC vs not having one can really make a difference in LEO interactions. Especially for them. You can put whatever spin you want on that one, but I’m just trying to be a realist. I also think in a SD situation having your LTC is always going to be more favorably viewed by a grand jury.
ditto all the above for me as well
i tend to go from texas to fl often and having a ltc allows me to carry easy.
whereas constitutional carry does not give me that option in some states
I do believe I saw on he news that Florida is working on getting constitutional carry! Most of the reasons, maybe all except the background bypass, don't exist for me. Kids are grown so no school property appearances. I really don't travel anywhere outside Texas. I worry we will be forced to build a wall to keep the rest of the country out and don't want to risk being on the wrong side of it. LOL
we do need a wall around texas, waaaayyyyy to many nuts from out west moving in.
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:04 am
by cmgee67
I 100% agree with you that we shouldn’t have to pay them to exercise our right to carry. I hate it. I keep mine for the reasons many have mentioned. The state reciprocity, no BG checks on new guns, and being able to carry past the new signage. I go out of state several times a year so that alone is worth to me to pay the renewal. I had to go through the wait once to get my license I don’t want to do it again.
Re: I let my LTC expire
Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:58 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Tex1961 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:46 am
K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:13 am
For me personally, two things outweigh NOT having the LTC. One, the reciprocity to travel across multiple states legally carrying. Two, being able to NOT wait around in the LGS when buying a firearm. I just fill out the paperwork, pay them money, and I'm on my way with the firearm.
However, I do understand the rationale for NOT renewing.
1. Reciprocity
2. Faster firearm purchases
3. Passing 30.05 signs. Which I think more and more will go up.
4. Defense to prosecution for carrying through a federal gun-free safety school zone.
5. (For people new to handgun carry) Nobody is going to teach you the law if you don’t take the class, but the law still applies to you whether or not you have an LTC. You should know the law if you’re going to carry.
I get the whole 2a thing as well, but them’s the law whether or not you like it. And until it changes why limit yourself. Something that I’ve had multiple discussions about with students, especially young black men is perception. Getting pulled over with a firearm and pulling out your LTC vs not having one can really make a difference in LEO interactions. Especially for them. You can put whatever spin you want on that one, but I’m just trying to be a realist. I also think in a SD situation having your LTC is always going to be more favorably viewed by a grand jury.
Fixed it for you.
My LTC expires in October of this year. I supported the passage of Constitutional Carry, and still do today, but I’ll be renewing my license when the time comes. It has its advantages.