The Annoyed Man wrote:When police shot the man with the knife in the stomach in Dallas when he was not a threat to them, on video, were the cops who did this proned out and cuffed? If not, why not? They manifestly shot him illegally. If I, who has a little trouble hearing sometimes, have some difficulty complying simply because I could not hear the commands spoken to me........especially if they come from multiple sources and are conflicting commands.......and I am shot and killed, will the cop who shouted the conflicting order that got me killed be proned out and cuffed? I don't think so.EEllis wrote:Personally I think the biggest risk is from actions caused by ones own mindset. That you aren't the bad guy so you shouldn't have to prone out. That the cops should just listen to your explanation and then everything will be ok. If there is a shooting and cops roll up I'm not trying to do anything until the cops secure the scene. Hands on my head and in my mind I am already set for being yelled at, berated, jumped on, whatever. Mind you it does mean I might be at greater risk from impersonators but as long as I'm not jumped by surprise I won't be giving the cops any reason to think I'm a threat.
Bag that crap. I have no particular animus against cops. I deeply value the service they provide to the community, and I want them to be as effective as possible. But I also deeply value accountability, and police should be held to a standard no less than I am held to. If a cop shoots and kills a person by accident when that person is either trying to comply, or is unable to comply but not a threat (like the guy with the knife was in Dallas), I want to see that officer treated exactly as I would be treated, with no special favors due to his job. . . . .including the handcuffs and the orange suit.
I've already posted earlier in this thread my own concerns, which are similar to chasfm11's. I would feel better about law enforcement IF people simply responded with something like "yes, you're right....it can be a dicey situation, and the LEO certification to carry a gun is not a license to shoot people who didn't need shooting. . . . but we have to trust that in the end, the legal system will prevail, and justice will be meted out."
THAT's the response I would like to hear. . . . not "the biggest risk is caused by one's own mindset." I've already indicated previously in this thread that I would prone myself out, regardless of what the cops tell me if I can't tell what they are saying. That's NOT a bad mindset. That's a "I don't want to get shot" mindset.
That's a legitimate desire, and moral reprehension upon anyone who thinks otherwise.
HUH? How is this a response to my statement? My comment had little or nothing to do with anything you have posted as far as I see. I honestly haven't heard of anyone being shot by the cops because they were hard of hearing but have because people wouldn't disarm. That is what I addressed but continue on, don't mind me.
Far as I'm concerned it has nothing to do with right or wrong and everything to do with practicality. I think that people have assumptions that may make them react in ways that increase the chance of a negative outcome in encounters with police. I think by knowing and accepting that and preplanning a certain "mindset" you decrease the chances for a negative outcome. A bit like the dropping the gun and going prone regardless if you hear commands to do so. I'm just not getting what set you off about my post.