Carrying at Work

[cbr600]

I personally disagree with people breaking rules like this. You agree to follow the rules when you sign on, and if you break them, then that is your doing and you should be reprimanded appropriately for that. No different than being on this forum; you follow the rules or you don't play. If you break them you are reprimanded.

I agree people should follow any rules they knew before they accepted the job offer.

However, if a company makes me a job offer, and does not disclose the policy as part of the offer, then I would not feel morally bound to comply.

I understand they can fire me without notice if they find out, just as I can quit without notice for any reason. Even during my first week.

An employer should have the right to prohibit whatever they don't like in their buildings. Now, I DO agree that they should not be able to prohibit you from having it in YOUR vehicle on the parking lot, but past that they have rights too.

I don't see any meaningful difference between employer policies regarding what's in your car on their property, versus what's in your pocket on their property. If employers have the right to prohibit firearms on their property, then they have the right to prohibit firearms on their property. I understand the "parking lot" concept is popular, but it makes no logical sense to me to draw the line there. Drawing it at the employer's property line, on the other hand, makes complete sense to me.

[Keith B]

I personally disagree with people breaking rules like this. You agree to follow the rules when you sign on, and if you break them, then that is your doing and you should be reprimanded appropriately for that. No different than being on this forum; you follow the rules or you don't play. If you break them you are reprimanded.

I agree people should follow any rules they knew before they accepted the job offer.

However, if a company makes me a job offer, and does not disclose the policy as part of the offer, then I would not feel morally bound to comply.

I understand they can fire me without notice if they find out, just as I can quit without notice for any reason. Even during my first week.

An employer should have the right to prohibit whatever they don't like in their buildings. Now, I DO agree that they should not be able to prohibit you from having it in YOUR vehicle on the parking lot, but past that they have rights too.

I don't see any meaningful difference between employer policies regarding what's in your car on their property, versus what's in your pocket on their property. If employers have the right to prohibit firearms on their property, then they have the right to prohibit firearms on their property. I understand the "parking lot" concept is popular, but it makes no logical sense to me to draw the line there. Drawing it at the employer's property line, on the other hand, makes complete sense to me.

I will admit I haven't interviewed for any jobs in a VERY long time, however, I would be making sure I had reviewed the employee policies before going to work for a company. They might want me to something weird like wear a dress while working and I wouldn't want to have to shave my legs to work there.

As for the vehicle, it all boils down to here you draw the line on my vs. your property. The reason i say vehicle and it doesn't leave there is that the vehicle is your way to and from work and you are being prohibited from carrying while NOT on the job. Once you arrive, then your vehicle becomes your storage locker for the weapon and it doesn't move from there.

[Dragonfighter]

I will admit I haven't interviewed for any jobs in a VERY long time, however, I would be making sure I had reviewed the employee policies before going to work for a company. They might want me to something weird like wear a dress while working and I wouldn't want to have to shave my legs to work there.

As for the vehicle, it all boils down to here you draw the line on my vs. your property. The reason i say vehicle and it doesn't leave there is that the vehicle is your way to and from work and you are being prohibited from carrying while NOT on the job. Once you arrive, then your vehicle becomes your storage locker for the weapon and it doesn't move from there.

Shave your legs ? Haven't you ever seen Klinger on M*A*S*H*? You don't have to shave your legs to wear a dress.

What about changing policy AFTER you have come to work? A company can simply say if you continue to work here you agree to the new terms, without your signature.

[Tahoe132]

Other than getting a new job, which I am working on, any thoughts?

How often are you searched at work?

Never, and I wouldn't allow it either....

If any of y'all carry at work where it is legal but against employee rules and you get fired, let us know and we'll picket the place for you.

Who is 'We' and how many 'We's' do you have to chip in money?

We = I and any other patriotic 2nd A supporting Americans reading this forum.

I just wondered whose money and picketing time you were so openly volunteering.

I personally disagree with people breaking rules like this. You agree to follow the rules when you sign on, and if you break them, then that is your doing and you should be reprimanded appropriately for that. No different than being on this forum; you follow the rules or you don't play. If you break them you are reprimanded. An employer should have the right to prohibit whatever they don't like in their buildings. Now, I DO agree that they should not be able to prohibit you from having it in YOUR vehicle on the parking lot, but past that they have rights too. If you disagree with them, then go through the appropriate steps to get the employer to change them. Until that time, you follow them or find a job where you agree with the rules.

But tell me this: How is it different than going in a store/restaurant/business etc. that is posted "no Guns" or "No Weapons Allowed" etc, but are NOT properly 30-06 posted? Same situation there, they don't want people coming in with weapons. Also, by seeing that sign and still entering, you are pretty much agreeing to their terms, in a round about way.

The reason you proceed and come in with your weapon is because you are trained and legally able to carry this weapon on a regular basis, and are not going in with a vengeance or something like that, which is what the sign, or in this case employee contract, is really there for.

So do you also think it is wrong to carry in a building that says no guns?

[Keith B]

What about changing policy AFTER you have come to work? A company can simply say if you continue to work here you agree to the new terms, without your signature.

At that point you have the right to either resign, comply and start looking for another job, or comply and take it up with company management to get the rule change reversed.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying i like it when companies have anti-gun policies; I work for one and have to comply. What I am saying is those that try to set their own rules and override laws, rules and restrictions on their own accord must face the consequences and IMO don't have the right to complain when called on it and punished for the violation.

[drjoker]

If any of y'all carry at work where it is legal but against employee rules and you get fired, let us know and we'll picket the place for you.

Who is 'We' and how many 'We's' do you have to chip in money?

We = I and any other patriotic 2nd A supporting Americans reading this forum.

I just wondered whose money and picketing time you were so openly volunteering.

... follow the rules when you sign on, and... you follow them or find a job where you agree with the rules.

Any Constitution Loving Patriot would volunteer time and money to ensure a constitutional government for posterity. Yes, Rosa Parks broke the rules for civil rights. Yes, Harriet Tubman broke the rules for civil rights. Millions of people marched in the 60's for civil rights and thousands were arrested. Wealthy patrons of the constitution financed all of these people; paid bail, volunteered time as a civil rights lawyer, etc. Without rule breakers, financial backing, and people who volunteer their time for civil rights, we would have ZERO civil rights. Make no mistake, your second amendment right is a civil right in the constitution. I love America and there's no other place I'd rather be.

God bless,


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[Dave2]

Any Constitution Loving Patriot would volunteer time and money

[Keith B]

drjoker,

The cases you cited above were fighting government for civil rights, not private business rules and restrictions. This is apples and oranges. We will have to agree to disagree that private business can restrict things they don't want their employees to do.

[cbr600]

What I am saying is those that try to set their own rules and override laws, rules and restrictions on their own accord must face the consequences and IMO don't have the right to complain when called on it and punished for the violation.

While I disagree about a moral obligation to comply, I agree completely with the statement above. If someone is caught violating policy, they should accept the consequences like an adult. No whining. I think that's true regardless of whether the policy prohibits alcohol, tobacco, firearms, religious displays, cell phones, or personal use of the internet at work.

[jframe.38]

1. Concealed means concealed.
2. No one at work is going to search your person
3. If you get hurt by a criminal at work or going to and from work your employer will say that they are not liable for the criminal acts of a third party. Maybe they'll bring a counselor. Ultimately they will try to creat distance between your injury and them to prevent paying out legally. Anyone who has seen a coworker maimed and/or killed at work or going to and from work knows that your employer does not care about your personal well-being.
4. It is ultimately your personal responsibility to keep your self safe. Your employer will not help, will not be held liable and will not come to your aid if a criminal tries to cause you bodily harm. Take personal responsibility for your safety. Don't trust your policy manual or company's general counsel.

[McKnife]

My job consists with dealing largely with the public and in some situations can become very emotional. Unfortunately, an alarming percentage of the public become irrational when faced with high variations in emotions and stress. So far, 911 calls (or even the threat to call) has solved these situations, although one case in particular thought I was bluffing until he heard sirens.

My spidey-sense tells me someday... someone is going to make a VERY poor decision by attempting to cause serious bodily injury and/or death. If it's towards me, I will deal with them as necessary and hopefully succeed.

That's why I carry.

[Beiruty]

My job consists with dealing largely with the public and in some situations can become very emotional. Unfortunately, an alarming percentage of the public become irrational when faced with high variations in emotions and stress. So far, 911 calls (or even the threat to call) has solved these situations, although one case in particular thought I was bluffing until he heard sirens.

My spidey-sense tells me someday... someone is going to make a VERY poor decision by attempting to cause serious bodily injury and/or death. If it's towards me, I will deal with them as necessary and hopefully succeed.

That's why I carry.

What do you do, release impounded cars?

[drjoker]

1. Concealed means concealed.
2. No one at work is going to search your person

Actually, there are 3 ways they ARE going to search your person and/or find the weapon;
1. You fall down from a heart attack and they have to loosen your clothes to perform CPR.
2. You defend yourself with a gun.
3. Someone at work stole something valuable and they're searching everyone.

I've worked with people who've had all three happen to them (each incident happened to a different person). I am not that brave. I will NOT carry at work and I actually almost never carry at all (since I work 7 days a week). However, if someone else is that brave, I think we should all chip in and support that person.

No, Keith, it's not apples and oranges. During the civil rights movement of the 60's and 70's, there were rules against serving "colored" people in restaurants and lunch counters. However, brave people sat down and even braver people served them. There were rules against hiring certain groups of people, but people still applied. People donated money and time to fight unjust employers in court. That's how the civil rights movement was won. In order to achieve success, you copy successful people who've done it already. That's why we should copy the civil rights movement of the 60's and 70's. Only through solidarity will we win.

God bless America.