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flintknapper wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:As an instructor I am allowed to handle malfunctions as I see fit.

If the student has a malfunction and can clear it and continue in the time alloted, then they can. If they cannot, then when that phase is finished I will clear the weapon for them, but they lose any unfired rounds from that phase.
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I hope you won't take offense to a "non-instructor" making a suggestion.

It might be best if shooters are not allowed to clear malfunctions themselves. Unless you know for certain that each person there is competent to resolve the problem.... then I submit, it could pose a safety hazard.

Thankfully, most people who are not experienced, will simply stop and stare at the weapon anyway. But as you know, it can be a challenge just to keep all muzzles pointed down range, let alone have someone try to clear their weapon "in a hurry".

Just some food for thought, not trying to tell you how to run your range.


Flint.
Your point is well made, no offense taken at all. I have given this much consideration, I cover this well in the classroom.

I am a student as well as a teacher. I try to make at least 4 firearms schools a year, at least 3 pistol. I am also a former LEO who paid his own way to many officer safety and street survival classes.

I have seen too many pictures and film of dead cops who might have survived if they had 1) practiced as they wanted to perform and 2) knew how to clear a malfunction.

I have never had a CHL student fail because of a malfunction he/she could not clear, but they have all learned the importance of knowing what to do should one occur. Most students will not have an instructor on the street with then if they need to use deadly force and the weapon malfunctions. Having them "lose points" makes an impression without causing them to actually fail.

I actually walk up and down the line as they are firing, and offer ways to improve in those who are having issues. The biggest culprit is jerking the trigger, followed by heeling and thumbing. Revolver shooters tend to shoot high to try to see the sights.

My goal is to pass them,. I have had renewal students tell me that other instructors don't offer help. I guess I am not that hard nosed ;)

I also teach security students each week. Now THAT is scary.
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txinvestigator wrote:
flintknapper wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:As an instructor I am allowed to handle malfunctions as I see fit.

If the student has a malfunction and can clear it and continue in the time alloted, then they can. If they cannot, then when that phase is finished I will clear the weapon for them, but they lose any unfired rounds from that phase.
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I hope you won't take offense to a "non-instructor" making a suggestion.

It might be best if shooters are not allowed to clear malfunctions themselves. Unless you know for certain that each person there is competent to resolve the problem.... then I submit, it could pose a safety hazard.

Thankfully, most people who are not experienced, will simply stop and stare at the weapon anyway. But as you know, it can be a challenge just to keep all muzzles pointed down range, let alone have someone try to clear their weapon "in a hurry".

Just some food for thought, not trying to tell you how to run your range.


Flint.
Your point is well made, no offense taken at all. I have given this much consideration, I cover this well in the classroom.

I am a student as well as a teacher. I try to make at least 4 firearms schools a year, at least 3 pistol. I am also a former LEO who paid his own way to many officer safety and street survival classes.

I have seen too many pictures and film of dead cops who might have survived if they had 1) practiced as they wanted to perform and 2) knew how to clear a malfunction.

I have never had a CHL student fail because of a malfunction he/she could not clear, but they have all learned the importance of knowing what to do should one occur. Most students will not have an instructor on the street with then if they need to use deadly force and the weapon malfunctions. Having them "lose points" makes an impression without causing them to actually fail.

I actually walk up and down the line as they are firing, and offer ways to improve in those who are having issues. The biggest culprit is jerking the trigger, followed by heeling and thumbing. Revolver shooters tend to shoot high to try to see the sights.

My goal is to pass them,. I have had renewal students tell me that other instructors don't offer help. I guess I am not that hard nosed ;)

I also teach security students each week. Now THAT is scary.


Sounds like a great class. Keep up the good work.

What you teach them at the time of qualification is all some of them will ever get. Hopefully, others will go on to hone their skills, but sadly... most do not.

I like the idea of trying to "make it stick". Good on ya!

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Hi, I'm new here.

In reference to having your gun jam during the shooting test....well that happened to me yesterday. It is the first time my pistol has ever jammed. It was on the 1st string of shooting at the 7yrd targets. We loaded 5 rounds for that string, and I got a FTF after the first shot. I couldnt get it cleared in time to fire the remaining 4 rounds in the required time :oops: I was not allowed to try again, and got 20 points taken off my score (-5 points per round not fired). However, I am proud of the fact that I still managed to get a score of 227 after the 20 points were deducted.

Well, I just thought that I would share that with you all.

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Re: Training for CHL questions

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pfgrone wrote:The Princess and I plan on taking the CHL course but I have a couple of questions that might help us in getting ready.

> 1. When taking the range test, what happens when a semi has a fail to > feed?
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Both of my CHL instructors warned the class to that malfunctions would not be made up. They're not made up on in a self-defense situation either. The course of action I chose was to use one of my most reliable handguns for the class. In 2001 that was a Beretta 92FS, which had never had a malfunction. It was a bit ungainly for CCW; but using your CCW is not a requirement for the class.

> 2. Should she spend a lot of extra time practicing on this beforehand or > just go ahead and take the test?
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Yes. Delivering aimed shots without unnecessry delay is a matter of practice. I've been able to reduce my time between shots simply by using a target with several aim points (center bull and corner diamonds) and rotating among these.

Another means to reduce time required for follow-up shots is to use a firearm with low felt recoil. This was another factor in favor of the 92FS. Though a friend went with me for requalifying in 2005 and took a borrowed Browning Hi-Power in 9mm. She only weighs ~85lbs and had the 2nd best target in the class 245/250. The Hi-Power is heavy enough to buffer recoil and the 9mm cartridge is mild in a full-size pistol.
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