Whataburger's Gun Policy (Ugh)..........

[LDB415]

Why eat at WB? When cost/value is the measure they are very hard to beat. They make very good hamburgers for a reasonable price. They aren't as good as Willie's and some other places but they aren't that expensive either.

[Oldgringo]

I don't understand the infatuation some people have that want to walk around showing their gun, as if saying look at me. It borders on bizarre. As long as one is able to carry, who cares.

I don't understand it either, but we have the same problem with Amateur Radio operators who provide backup communications for emergencies and blast around town with lights and sirens on their personal vehicles and several ham radios dangling from their belts shouting, "QSL...QSL...QSL." (Message received...for you non hams)

There is some doubt in my mind that the elevator stops at every floor of such individuals.

Personally I'm going to be a happy camper if I never have to be part of another lights and sirens ride! By far those have been the closest I've ever come to death.

I prefer not putting a target on me for the bad guy to choose me as the first victim.

Not arguing the point, but I am just curious if anyone has hard evidence, from other states that allow open carry, that anyone has been specifically targeted? I hear this all the time. If it is a real risk, I think we should quantify it somehow. How many have actually been proven to have been targeted compared to how many carry? 1% 5% 25%?

I don't think you will find that evidence from other states for the simple fact that people in other states don't OC. I'd be willing to bet the same will be true here in Texas.

I will not be taking that bet.

[ShootDontTalk]

I think I'll post this in a seperate thread so as to not hijack anything.

[Oldgringo]

Check it out:
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[mojo84]

I don't understand what the fights have to do with open carry. That's a completely different issue. It's a shame the left-wing media feels the need to sensationalize everything. The difference between open and concealed carry comes down to a piece of cloth covering the gun.

[Taypo]

I don't understand what the fights has to do with open carry. That's a completely different issue. It's a shame the left-wing media feels the need to sensationalize everything. The difference between open and concealed carry comes down to a piece of cloth covering the gun.

[safety1]

I like Whataburger, I will continue to do business there from time to time.
I don't like their position on this issue, but I respect it. I also recently read
an article that the owner of Whataburger said they will NOT prohibit CC, in
fact he was a CHL holder himself and respected the right of gun owners to
protect themselves.

[Taypo]

I like Whataburger, I will continue to do business there from time to time.
I don't like their position on this issue, but I respect it. I also recently read
an article that the owner of Whataburger said they will NOT prohibit CC, in
fact he was a CHL holder himself and respected the right of gun owners to
protect themselves.

Yep, pretty much. He was put into a bad spot and responded really well. Like it or not, he's responsible for a business and made a decision in that context. It was done respectfully, but the militants are still screaming like someone burned the Constitution.

[John Galt]

I like Whataburger, I will continue to do business there from time to time.
I don't like their position on this issue, but I respect it. I also recently read
an article that the owner of Whataburger said they will NOT prohibit CC, in
fact he was a CHL holder himself and respected the right of gun owners to
protect themselves.

Yep, pretty much. He was put into a bad spot and responded really well. Like it or not, he's responsible for a business and made a decision in that context. It was done respectfully, but the militants are still screaming like someone burned the Constitution.

And I will wager that most of them have never owned and/or run their own business.

[Taypo]

I like Whataburger, I will continue to do business there from time to time.
I don't like their position on this issue, but I respect it. I also recently read
an article that the owner of Whataburger said they will NOT prohibit CC, in
fact he was a CHL holder himself and respected the right of gun owners to
protect themselves.

Yep, pretty much. He was put into a bad spot and responded really well. Like it or not, he's responsible for a business and made a decision in that context. It was done respectfully, but the militants are still screaming like someone burned the Constitution.

And I will wager that most of them have never owned and/or run their own business.

No bet, you hit that nail on the head.

[mojo84]

As a gun toting Christian conservative that has been outspoken on several key issues, I am aware my comments and beliefs have cost me business in the past. That is a price I am willing and able to pay in order to stand by my principles. It is also one of the reasons I am self employed.

However, Whataburger being much larger and serving a much broader and diverse clientele, the decision and public comments have of the CEO have a far reaching impact and impacts far more people such as stakeholders, employees and customers. Forcing companies to take a political, religious or cultural stance is usually not a good idea, especially when it comes to something such as open carry. They will usually feel the need to err on the side whom they think represents the majority of their customers.

[Wtxchooter]

I have a problem here.

Im not a fan of OC & dont plan to ever OC - but the reality is Whataburger is infringing on 2A rights - and some here are ok with it cuz it doesnt directly affect them....AT THIS TIME...

"Then they came for me"

You may have a problem, but I see it as your understanding of the 2nd amendment and property rights. ...not the stance of a burger joint.

You have a right to own a weapon, and if licensed carry it concealed.. you have NO right to a mediocre burger .. so feel free to carry your weapon .. you can carry it at home on your property, and in many public places, and on others private property unless they inform you otherwise. But the same as you can tell someone to stay off your property, others, even burger joint owners can tell you to stay off thiers.
Personally I would want it no other way.

I never have understood how some 2nd amendment supporters can fail to understand property rights

My opinion is that if you choose to open your doors to the public, you give up some of your property rights. Nobody is making these businesses open their doors to the public. Again if you want invite the public in you must accept the consequences. Just my .02 right or wrong.

A persons right to determine what is acceptable on their private property is not negated by public access. If, as a private business, I determine that everyone entering my business must submit to a physical search, that is my right, and no more a violation of your 4th amendment rights than Whataburger saying they don't want open carry in their business is a violation of your 2nd. We have the freedom to determine for ourselves whether or not we want to support those private businesses. While I personally support the right to keep and bear arms, I more strongly believe in my rights as a private citizen to conduct my business as I see fit, and not necessarily as you see fit. I even more strongly believe in my right to make a profit, and if your exercise of the right to keep and bear arms in my business interferes with my right to make a profit, your right will be terminated. I carry a concealed weapon on my person in my place of business everyday, and have a backup in my desk drawer. Furthermore, I encourage my employees to get licensed and carry. I have lots of loyal customers who carry, and lots that don't. I must respect all of them, as they are all my customers, whether they carry or not. The moment I begin losing business because of somebody exercising their right, I reserve the right to terminate that right in my place of business. Accessibility to the public makes no difference. Vote with your feet. The thing that is often forgotten by those touting rights is that with rights come responsibilities. We have the right to keep and bear arms, but we also have the responsibility to not act like a jerk, and give fuel to the argument that the right to keep and bear arms should be limited.

[safety1]

I believe this is a direct result from some of the high profile brawls that have
taken place at Whataburger(s). The restaurant is very well known for being a
late night, after the club stopping point. I don't have any facts as to if any
of these incidents involved guns or not, it's irrelevant. This empathizes the
need for us law abiding CHL'ers to show respect and good behavior if and when
we choose to OC. As we have seen in recent weeks the chips fall fast and furious
in today's PC world. As I previously said, I respect their right as a business to make
these choices...but I don't want to see businesses standing in line to purchase 30.07 signage.
Let's all do our part by being responsible and respectful.

[jmra]

The Whataburger decision doesn't bother me in the slightest; it's a good compromise for both sides. The Mad Mommies can stick their heads in the sand and pretend there are no guns in the place, and we can carry concealed.

I really don't see what the big deal is.