ANOTHER METHOD TO FIGHT 30.06 SIGNS WHEREVER YOU SEE THEM

[jimlongley]

I have been printing my own for years, and passing them out.

[RPBrown]

I keep some of these cards in my wallet. 50 for seven bucks from TSRA.

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Thats the one I use

[jmra]

Not sure #4 applies to most CHLs.

I don't know about you, but I count range time as firearms training...and I have spent many hours training with my firearms.

You are one of a very small percentage of CHL holders who do. I've heard many instructors complain about renewal students who hadn't shot their firearm in the 5 years since their last class.

[jbarn]

Not sure #4 applies to most CHLs.

I don't know about you, but I count range time as firearms training...and I have spent many hours training with my firearms.

I am sure you have. You are in the minority

[RoyGBiv]

TSRA Store link
http://www.stampedesolutions.com/stores ... sories.htm

And if you search there's been templates posted here.

I'm sitting here wracking my brain to identify any place that I visit that is posted 30.06.

A new restaurant we tried a few weeks ago surprised me a bit with their Red 51% sign. Food was terrible, so, no problem staying away.
My bank branch has a gunbuster sign. I've already had a face-to-face with the branch manager and his boss.
Wife wanted to go to Sprouts the other day... First time I've encountered a valid 30.06 in a looooong time.

I'm afraid it would be a waste of $7.00 for me... unless any 9 of you want to split an order...

[chasfm11]

The overwhelming majority of CHL holders get the minimum training ONLY. I have been an instructor for over a decade. I saw the renewal students

That said, I like the other cards. It makes a point.

***General thoughts*** I think educating people is the best way to go. Realistically the CHL population is about what, 2% of the population? The percentage of business lost if ALL CHL holders stopped going to a company would be negligible to them. We have to use logic and education, not threats and "boycotts"

It is not CHL holders alone that will make the difference but the families and friends of CHL holders. It is up to each of us who feel strongly about a situation like Sprouts (which recently posted proper signage in all of the stores in all of the States where they do business) to try to diminish their trade.

I participated in a social media debate recently over the possible expansion of the Argyle armed school staff program to a different ISD. Education, logic and reason didn't make a dent. The ardent anti-guns are never (in my opinion) going to listen to any of that. Calmly presenting facts only ratcheted up the attacks. When the antis recognize that they are not overwhelming you, then they move to silence you. It was a really interesting exercise.

Sprouts is a great example. Some of their store managers are sympathetic but it was corporate policy that put the signs up. The corporate board in AZ is apparently part of the "green" movement. I suspect no amount of reason is going to work, any more that it worked with Goodwill - who depends on public appeal to stay in business. I'd be willing to bet that they would rather go out of business than compromise their principals.

[scokill]

Not that I'm for increased 30.06 signs... but freedom also applies to private property owners. There shouldn't be a question of it's freedom for CHL holders or tyranny if property owners exercise their rights under the law. Just my 2 cents.

[chasfm11]

Not that I'm for increased 30.06 signs... but freedom also applies to private property owners. There shouldn't be a question of it's freedom for CHL holders or tyranny if property owners exercise their rights under the law. Just my 2 cents.

I'm not advocating decreased freedom. As business owners who open to the public, stores set up conditions that the public either likes are does not. In retail, it is the products that they sell and their prices. In service businesses like restaurants, it is the way in which the customers are handled.

Sprouts argument is that their 30.06 signs provide a safer environment for their customers, according to the emails that they've sent to customers who complained about those signs. Most of us believe that there is no validity to that claim in Texas. The DPS statistics seem to bear that out. We view the sign as a political statement rather than a good policy one. The owners of the Katy and Grapevine Mills Malls have unabashedly said that their signs ARE political statements.

It is the right of a business owner to conduct business, within the laws, as they see fit. It is the right of the consumers to patronize that business, based on how it meets their needs. Sprouts no longer meets my needs as I cannot walk into that store without disarming, something that I'm not willing to do. I often share my opinion of businesses with my friends and family about the good service or poor service that I get. I see telling them that Sprouts does not honor my 2nd Amendment rights as a part of that. I really don't want to make my decisions to patronize businesses based on their politics. If they don't want me to do that, they can stop blatantly advertizing those politics on their doors.

[ATDM]

***General thoughts*** I think educating people is the best way to go. Realistically the CHL population is about what, 2% of the population?

Technically, that statement is true. However, these are the 2% who have quite a bit of disposable income. The amount of money we spend on good weapons, ammo, license, etc. is quite high. I believe that business would feel the effect. I never like to call anyone to boycotting or threats. A simple constitutionally protected statement to discourage the signs.

Not INSTEAD of educating people, but in ADDITION to educating people. Maybe, receiving such a leaflet will make them review their policy, the pros and cons of having the sign. It's not as if they will make their signs 10 feet bigger in retaliation, but there is a chance they will take them down and replace them with an "Illegal weapons" sign. From what I know, sometimes these signs get put up by default.

[scokill]

Not that I'm for increased 30.06 signs... but freedom also applies to private property owners. There shouldn't be a question of it's freedom for CHL holders or tyranny if property owners exercise their rights under the law. Just my 2 cents.

I'm not advocating decreased freedom. As business owners who open to the public, stores set up conditions that the public either likes are does not. In retail, it is the products that they sell and their prices. In service businesses like restaurants, it is the way in which the customers are handled.

Sprouts argument is that their 30.06 signs provide a safer environment for their customers, according to the emails that they've sent to customers who complained about those signs. Most of us believe that there is no validity to that claim in Texas. The DPS statistics seem to bear that out. We view the sign as a political statement rather than a good policy one. The owners of the Katy and Grapevine Mills Malls have unabashedly said that their signs ARE political statements.

It is the right of a business owner to conduct business, within the laws, as they see fit. It is the right of the consumers to patronize that business, based on how it meets their needs. Sprouts no longer meets my needs as I cannot walk into that store without disarming, something that I'm not willing to do. I often share my opinion of businesses with my friends and family about the good service or poor service that I get. I see telling them that Sprouts does not honor my 2nd Amendment rights as a part of that. I really don't want to make my decisions to patronize businesses based on their politics. If they don't want me to do that, they can stop blatantly advertizing those politics on their doors.

My comments were mainly aimed at the original poster quote " I want my children to grow up in a free State and free country. We can move closer to that goal by discouraging 30.06 signs."

[jbarn]

The overwhelming majority of CHL holders get the minimum training ONLY. I have been an instructor for over a decade. I saw the renewal students

That said, I like the other cards. It makes a point.

***General thoughts*** I think educating people is the best way to go. Realistically the CHL population is about what, 2% of the population? The percentage of business lost if ALL CHL holders stopped going to a company would be negligible to them. We have to use logic and education, not threats and "boycotts"

It is not CHL holders alone that will make the difference but the families and friends of CHL holders. It is up to each of us who feel strongly about a situation like Sprouts (which recently posted proper signage in all of the stores in all of the States where they do business) to try to diminish their trade.

They don't care. They may tell you the do, but no one does. It does not affect them.

[03Lightningrocks]

I keep some of these cards in my wallet. 50 for seven bucks from TSRA.

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The first card is good but for me, I like this one better. Thanks to the OP for starting this thread. I had some of these cards a couple years back, ran out and had forgotten about them. Time to place a quick order.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Not that I'm for increased 30.06 signs... but freedom also applies to private property owners. There shouldn't be a question of it's freedom for CHL holders or tyranny if property owners exercise their rights under the law. Just my 2 cents.

Since 1997 when HB2909 passed, I've never seen a single 30.06 sign on a private residence. Realistically, we talking about private business property. How do you feel about the new Texas law (effective 1/1/2014) that requires businesses to allow veterans to enter with their service dogs? I'm not talking about blind customers, but all veterans with service dogs such as those that some PTSD patients use.

Chas.

[Charles L. Cotton]

The overwhelming majority of CHL holders get the minimum training ONLY. I have been an instructor for over a decade. I saw the renewal students

That said, I like the other cards. It makes a point.

***General thoughts*** I think educating people is the best way to go. Realistically the CHL population is about what, 2% of the population? The percentage of business lost if ALL CHL holders stopped going to a company would be negligible to them. We have to use logic and education, not threats and "boycotts"

It is not CHL holders alone that will make the difference but the families and friends of CHL holders. It is up to each of us who feel strongly about a situation like Sprouts (which recently posted proper signage in all of the stores in all of the States where they do business) to try to diminish their trade.

They don't care. They may tell you the do, but no one does. It does not affect them.

If someone doesn't care, or doesn't care enough, to get a CHL and carry a self-defense handgun themselves, I think it's highly unlikely they will change their buying habits because the store barred a family member or friend from entering with a handgun.

Chas.

[Cedar Park Dad]

Not that I'm for increased 30.06 signs... but freedom also applies to private property owners. There shouldn't be a question of it's freedom for CHL holders or tyranny if property owners exercise their rights under the law. Just my 2 cents.

Since 1997 when HB2909 passed, I've never seen a single 30.06 sign on a private residence. Realistically, we talking about private business property. How do you feel about the new Texas law (effective 1/1/2014) that requires businesses to allow veterans to enter with their service dogs? I'm not talking about blind customers, but all veterans with service dogs such as those that some PTSD patients use.

Chas.

As policy I am against it. Personally, I live in a canine rich environment, and we're all for it.