Mcdonald's Robbery

[03Lightningrocks]

...."Abraham"....
I've never contemplated it before, but for situations like these it sure would be nice to have a "dummy wallet". Put a few bucks in it along with some random business cards and some of those bogus credit cards you get in the mail with "John Smith" on them. Or you could just avoid Houston.

When I was visiting on the Northeast coast(Jersey), they called it muggers money. The idea is to have a small roll of ones with a 20 on the outside.

[Oldgringo]

I guarantee that if one CHL holder would have fired on the first suspect coming through the door, they all would have scattered and ran immediately...

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I dunno"?

Shooting "suspects" is probably not recommended procedure. If you shoot somebody, there had best be real good cause...I think.

[03Lightningrocks]

I guarantee that if one CHL holder would have fired on the first suspect coming through the door, they all would have scattered and ran immediately...

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=9328824" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I dunno"?

Shooting "suspects" is probably not recommended procedure. If you shoot somebody, there had best be real good cause...I think.

...............unless you have your CHL badge displayed on a gold necklace. Then it is ok to get a whole McDonald's full of kids caught in a crossfire.

[tomtexan]

Due to a number of bad experiences in Houston in the 90s, I've learned the best way to survive an encounter with 6 thugs in a McDonalds in Houston is to avoid Houston altogether. That's been my plan for the last 15 years and I must say, it's worked out great.

1992 was the last time I was in Houston.

Back then, I vowed that I would never return and, I haven't.

I have a lot of relatives in Houston. If they ever want to visit, they'll have to come see me.

[CHLLady]

Unfortunately I have family in Houston, so the visits are unavoidable, but darn sure we are packing every time.

I do find myself sitting where I can see the door also. I look for alternate exits and where the security cameras are. Not sure why I look for them, I guess to be sure they have them at all.

[rotor]

Six armed men with guns is beyond the capability of my .380. I would have needed my Glock or even better my AK-47. I think in this case with overwhelming power unless it looked like I or my family would die the best path would have been quiet surrender of the wallets. Now if it looked like I or my family might have been injured than I would have used my firearm and at least taken out some of them. The stay away from Houston answer is not realistic. This could be anywhere in any neighborhood. That's why you have a CHL isn't it?

[jmra]

The stay away from Houston answer is not realistic. This could be anywhere in any neighborhood. That's why you have a CHL isn't it?

Yes, but I still avoid areas that I wouldn't without my firearm.

[locke_n_load]

I am interested to see when this story gets updated and we find out how many were armed, with what weapons, and the time of night. Those details are pretty important.

[Jumping Frog]

So, I went car shopping yesterday with my 18 year-old son and had $4,000 in my pocket. We stopped at a McDonalds about 7 miles away from the one that got robbed to get some lunch, so I told him about this story.

His response bothered me. He told me he thought that someday I am going to be in that kind of situation with multiple assailants, get riddled with bullets, and die.

At age 18, he is all about liking to argue any position with Dad and consistently argues the liberal side of any issue.

May God please help this troubled young man.

[chasfm11]

So, I went car shopping yesterday with my 18 year-old son and had $4,000 in my pocket. We stopped at a McDonalds about 7 miles away from the one that got robbed to get some lunch, so I told him about this story.

His response bothered me. He told me he thought that someday I am going to be in that kind of situation with multiple assailants, get riddled with bullets, and die.

At age 18, he is all about liking to argue any position with Dad and consistently argues the liberal side of any issue.

May God please help this troubled young man.

Relax. You will be completely surprised at how much smarter you are going to get in the next 3-4 years.

Actually, taking a side of an argument that you don't believe is sometimes a great learning tool. I've been known to do it a time or two myself. It is a way of testing your own ideas with others who share them. A "devil's advocate" approach forces you to think like your discussion adversary.

Remember that your son has likely had 18 years of Liberal indoctrination. Your discussions with him can be great tools of helping to undo that if you take them as a challenge and don't give in to frustration or disgust because of his positions. I have to honestly say that I was probably no better at his age. My parents got a lot smarter, too.

Back to the OP, this situation is one of several possible scenarios that continue to haunt my thinking. I've accepted the fact that just having a gun is not going to protect me in every situation. It is somewhat like having acute situational awareness while driving. I've averted many accidents by seeing them start to unfold in time to react. But I know that there are many other situations where having good SA will not help.

On balance, there was the church shooting in France where a congregation member with a small caliber pistol took on a group of BGs with a lot heavier weapons. Sometimes, it is about how much courage you have and not about how much you are outnumbered. In a crowded fast food place, however, I cannot imagine it ending well if shooting starts.

[Dragonfighter]

When I go to any eatery, I always sit where I can watch the front door and the windows leading up to it. Eyeballing every entrant is my specialty.

When we go out, my wife automatically chose a table with a good FOV and chairs where I can sit with my back away from entrances and can move if needed. But the concept of eating out is a narrowing one due to food allergies. There are one or two places that are "safe" in that regard but otherwise...

[johncanfield]

..At age 18, he is all about liking to argue any position with Dad and consistently argues the liberal side of any issue. ..

His perspective will (should) change with age and when he starts fending for himself and paying taxes.

Back on topic - scary situation that could happen in any city but the odds are against you in a large city with a large and lazy population component. I have no idea how I would react in a similar situation, there's so many potential variables involved, firing my M&P would be a last resort though.

However even in our little town, I always prefer to sit facing the door in a restaurant and dear wife is always armed when volunteering at our tiny local library.

[Pawpaw]

Relax. You will be completely surprised at how much smarter you are going to get in the next 3-4 years.

When I was 18, I couldn't understand how my father could even tie his own shoes. Then I realized he always wore Wellington boots, so that solved that problem.

It was amazing how much smarter he got in the next few years.

I sure do miss that old man.

[rbwhatever1]

It's easy to read the outcome after an incident and say one way or another how one would handle that particular situation since it's already over and published in the news. I could never force myself to lie on the floor and wait to be executed. Since I cant predict the ending I would be participating heavily in the beginning. Dying on one's feet is much better than dying on ones knees.

[03Lightningrocks]

....."Abraham".....Dying on one's feet is much better than dying on ones knees.

What do you recommend one do? Those romantic words mean very little outside of a good western. I'm sincerely wanting to know what you would do. Six armed guys burst into the place filled with women and children. I would love to think I could gun them all down but I cannot figure out how to get them all before they get me and possibly everyone else in the place.