Buying with a CHL

[azwe]

Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

[RX8er]

Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

Care to enlighten us as to why?

[JP171]

Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

[RX8er]

Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

What laws make it illegal to copy an ID and state law, a drivers license? And by this I mean not ones specifically calling out for fraudulent purposes.

I know in some normal cases of business, it is done perfectly legal. Go to the doctor and they make a copy of your DL and insurance card. Go to the bank with a large cash deposit and they get a fingerprint and a copy of your DL.

[azwe]

Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

Until you cite the law, you're just repeating bologna.

[RX8er]

Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

Until you cite the law, you're just repeating bologna.

But why is this your policy?

[rotor]

Try to get into a doctors office without a copy of your drivers license being made (and your insurance card). They must have valid photo id now.

[jmra]

Try to get into a doctors office without a copy of your drivers license being made (and your insurance card). They must have valid photo id now.

The only thing any of my doctors have ever asked to copy is my ins card.

[jimlongley]

Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

Just as you insisting on copying my ID does the same.

[jimlongley]

Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

What laws make it illegal to copy an ID and state law, a drivers license? And by this I mean not ones specifically calling out for fraudulent purposes.

I know in some normal cases of business, it is done perfectly legal. Go to the doctor and they make a copy of your DL and insurance card. Go to the bank with a large cash deposit and they get a fingerprint and a copy of your DL.

Lately I have been refusing to let the hospital and doctors' offices to make those copies, and they have been pretty compliant. I do point out that they have made copies of the same in the past therefore they do not need new ones. My local hospital "lost" my DL and insurance card a few years back when the copy machine broke down and they took them to a different copy machine and left them there, and I was called in for treatment before they came back. I raised a stink, and even called the police while a hospital administrator offered to write me a note that I could carry in lieu of my DL, and the cop that responded told her that they wouldn't accept the note and I would be arrested for driving without a license. I then insisted that they tear down the hospital brick by brick to find my documents, and the cop just grinned and shrugged.

They can scan my insurance card all they want, but I do not knowingly let them copy my license any more.

When I was being admitted for knee replacement surgery a couple of years ago, the desk person (different hospital from above) asked to "see" my ID and insurance card. I laid both of them on the counter and she immediately started to pick them up. I slammed my hand on top of them and asked her what she thought she was doing, and she stated she was going to make copies. I pointed out that she only had asked to "see" them, not pick them up or copy them and that those documents were my personal property and not to be removed from my possession or sight. After an administrator came out and, eventually, politely asked if they could copy them for security reasons the young lady then started to leave the room with them. She never did make the copies because I would not allow them to take them into the next room where the copier was.

You can refuse.

[RX8er]

Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

What laws make it illegal to copy an ID and state law, a drivers license? And by this I mean not ones specifically calling out for fraudulent purposes.

I know in some normal cases of business, it is done perfectly legal. Go to the doctor and they make a copy of your DL and insurance card. Go to the bank with a large cash deposit and they get a fingerprint and a copy of your DL.

Lately I have been refusing to let the hospital and doctors' offices to make those copies, and they have been pretty compliant. I do point out that they have made copies of the same in the past therefore they do not need new ones. My local hospital "lost" my DL and insurance card a few years back when the copy machine broke down and they took them to a different copy machine and left them there, and I was called in for treatment before they came back. I raised a stink, and even called the police while a hospital administrator offered to write me a note that I could carry in lieu of my DL, and the cop that responded told her that they wouldn't accept the note and I would be arrested for driving without a license. I then insisted that they tear down the hospital brick by brick to find my documents, and the cop just grinned and shrugged.

They can scan my insurance card all they want, but I do not knowingly let them copy my license any more.

When I was being admitted for knee replacement surgery a couple of years ago, the desk person (different hospital from above) asked to "see" my ID and insurance card. I laid both of them on the counter and she immediately started to pick them up. I slammed my hand on top of them and asked her what she thought she was doing, and she stated she was going to make copies. I pointed out that she only had asked to "see" them, not pick them up or copy them and that those documents were my personal property and not to be removed from my possession or sight. After an administrator came out and, eventually, politely asked if they could copy them for security reasons the young lady then started to leave the room with them. She never did make the copies because I would not allow them to take them into the next room where the copier was.

You can refuse.

I am always looking for more reasons to be obstinate and safe. In this day and age with ID theft so bad, any extra measure is a good measuer. I've always just looked at it like they can get it on the internet within a few mouse clicks if they need too and a copy of a drivers license is just about as good as writing all the info down on a piece of paper. I was hoping that there was a law that cleared things up. My regular doctor doesn't make a copy but if I go to the ER, they always do.

[sjfcontrol]

Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

What laws make it illegal to copy an ID and state law, a drivers license? And by this I mean not ones specifically calling out for fraudulent purposes.

I know in some normal cases of business, it is done perfectly legal. Go to the doctor and they make a copy of your DL and insurance card. Go to the bank with a large cash deposit and they get a fingerprint and a copy of your DL.

Lately I have been refusing to let the hospital and doctors' offices to make those copies, and they have been pretty compliant. I do point out that they have made copies of the same in the past therefore they do not need new ones. My local hospital "lost" my DL and insurance card a few years back when the copy machine broke down and they took them to a different copy machine and left them there, and I was called in for treatment before they came back. I raised a stink, and even called the police while a hospital administrator offered to write me a note that I could carry in lieu of my DL, and the cop that responded told her that they wouldn't accept the note and I would be arrested for driving without a license. I then insisted that they tear down the hospital brick by brick to find my documents, and the cop just grinned and shrugged.

They can scan my insurance card all they want, but I do not knowingly let them copy my license any more.

When I was being admitted for knee replacement surgery a couple of years ago, the desk person (different hospital from above) asked to "see" my ID and insurance card. I laid both of them on the counter and she immediately started to pick them up. I slammed my hand on top of them and asked her what she thought she was doing, and she stated she was going to make copies. I pointed out that she only had asked to "see" them, not pick them up or copy them and that those documents were my personal property and not to be removed from my possession or sight. After an administrator came out and, eventually, politely asked if they could copy them for security reasons the young lady then started to leave the room with them. She never did make the copies because I would not allow them to take them into the next room where the copier was.

You can refuse.

I am always looking for more reasons to be obstinate and safe. In this day and age with ID theft so bad, any extra measure is a good measuer. I've always just looked at it like they can get it on the internet within a few mouse clicks if they need too and a copy of a drivers license is just about as good as writing all the info down on a piece of paper. I was hoping that there was a law that cleared things up. My regular doctor doesn't make a copy but if I go to the ER, they always do.

It isn't well known, but getting the information off a DL using a mag-stripe reader (or bar code reader, or (maybe?) optical scanner) is a class A Misdemeanor in Texas, with a few exceptions. One of the exceptions is hospitals -- although it is specified that if the license holder objects, the hospital must use alternate means. I would guess a simple photocopy would not be considered "...accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a driver's license...". Interested parties can look up Traffic Code 521.126 for the actual laws.

It isn't clear to me whether an optical scan of a license (i.e., data electronically 'scraped' from an image of the license) would be subject to this law or not.

Apparently, only New Hampshire and Texas have these limitations.

[jimlongley]

Refusing to let me copy your ID voids all current and future sales.

well gee umm, good enough for me, keep your merchandise that is over priced and I don't need anyway and I'll spend my money to enrich someone else's life. it is in violation of us government regulations and law to copy some of my ID's and State law for others and my own personal guidelines for my Texas DL issued by DPS as well as my CHL also issued by DPS

What laws make it illegal to copy an ID and state law, a drivers license? And by this I mean not ones specifically calling out for fraudulent purposes.

I know in some normal cases of business, it is done perfectly legal. Go to the doctor and they make a copy of your DL and insurance card. Go to the bank with a large cash deposit and they get a fingerprint and a copy of your DL.

Lately I have been refusing to let the hospital and doctors' offices to make those copies, and they have been pretty compliant. I do point out that they have made copies of the same in the past therefore they do not need new ones. My local hospital "lost" my DL and insurance card a few years back when the copy machine broke down and they took them to a different copy machine and left them there, and I was called in for treatment before they came back. I raised a stink, and even called the police while a hospital administrator offered to write me a note that I could carry in lieu of my DL, and the cop that responded told her that they wouldn't accept the note and I would be arrested for driving without a license. I then insisted that they tear down the hospital brick by brick to find my documents, and the cop just grinned and shrugged.

They can scan my insurance card all they want, but I do not knowingly let them copy my license any more.

When I was being admitted for knee replacement surgery a couple of years ago, the desk person (different hospital from above) asked to "see" my ID and insurance card. I laid both of them on the counter and she immediately started to pick them up. I slammed my hand on top of them and asked her what she thought she was doing, and she stated she was going to make copies. I pointed out that she only had asked to "see" them, not pick them up or copy them and that those documents were my personal property and not to be removed from my possession or sight. After an administrator came out and, eventually, politely asked if they could copy them for security reasons the young lady then started to leave the room with them. She never did make the copies because I would not allow them to take them into the next room where the copier was.

You can refuse.

I am always looking for more reasons to be obstinate and safe. In this day and age with ID theft so bad, any extra measure is a good measuer. I've always just looked at it like they can get it on the internet within a few mouse clicks if they need too and a copy of a drivers license is just about as good as writing all the info down on a piece of paper. I was hoping that there was a law that cleared things up. My regular doctor doesn't make a copy but if I go to the ER, they always do.

It isn't well known, but getting the information off a DL using a mag-stripe reader (or bar code reader, or (maybe?) optical scanner) is a class A Misdemeanor in Texas, with a few exceptions. One of the exceptions is hospitals -- although it is specified that if the license holder objects, the hospital must use alternate means. I would guess a simple photocopy would not be considered "...accesses or uses electronically readable information derived from a driver's license...". Interested parties can look up Traffic Code 521.126 for the actual laws.

It isn't clear to me whether an optical scan of a license (i.e., data electronically 'scraped' from an image of the license) would be subject to this law or not.

Apparently, only New Hampshire and Texas have these limitations.

For some reason or another my mag stripe on my license does not work anymore.

[RX8er]

For some reason or another my mag stripe on my license does not work anymore.

Hmmm, mine probably experienced the same problem as yours.

[docbrazos]

In times past my LGS kept 5 to 10 copy's of my DL and CHL on file at all times. Each 4473 had one stapled to the back of the form. Made the ATF happy and simplified inspections. Also simplified purchase as I didn't have to prove up every time!
Sorta like dealers that won't sell a gun without a photo ID (DL) even though you have a CHL which should be all the ID one needs.....but that's not the way it works.