Carry in Texas Renaissance Festival

[TexasCajun]

Went to TX Ren-Fest this weekend & couldn't find ANY sign - 30.06 or otherwise.

[RHenriksen]

Interesting!

[JP171]

yes Scarborough Ren Faire is posted, the faire is in a dry county so therefore to be able to consume adult beverages it falls under the laws as a private club that makes 51% from onsite consumption. I have several club stickers on my camera case so I can have a brew or 2. Also it is in the TABC Database as a 51% location

[Ameer]

If they have a 30.06 sign that satisfies all the requirements, that is one thing, but for 51% locations "premises" means a building or a portion of a building.

[JP171]

If they have a 30.06 sign that satisfies all the requirements, that is one thing, but for 51% locations "premises" means a building or a portion of a building.

nope it doesn't. all of scarborough is the club not premises as defined in the CHL law, all ya gotta do is look it up on the tabc website the whole festival is off limits to a carrying CHL

[apostate]

Based on my understanding of 46.035, I believe Ameer is correct. Would you care to cite the law that says the grounds are off limits because of alcohol sales?

[JP171]

Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) of the Alcoholic Beverage Code

An offense still occurs if the concealed handgun licensee is on the premises of a business that has a mixed beverage permit, a private club registration permit, a wine and beer retailer’s permit or a beer retailer’s on-premise license if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premise consumption.


Scarborough is listed as a PRIVATE Club

[Waco1959]

Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) of the Alcoholic Beverage Code

An offense still occurs if the concealed handgun licensee is on the premises of a business that has a mixed beverage permit, a private club registration permit, a wine and beer retailer’s permit or a beer retailer’s on-premise license if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premise consumption.


Scarborough is listed as a PRIVATE Club

OK, I see the law and I can even see the entire facility being considered as premises due to the layout. But wouldn't a 51% sign still be needed at the entrance? There wasn't one the last time I went (2009 or 2010) and I seriously doubt they derive 51% from the sale of alcohol. Based on what I have observed and from discussions I would expect it to be more in the 25% range.

I don't recall seeing a 30.06 sign but there is a 30.06 notice on the website under weapons policy. Since I doubt most people would read the website they would still need signs. IIRC someone did say SRF did have 30.06 signs up.

[apostate]

Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) of the Alcoholic Beverage Code

An offense still occurs if the concealed handgun licensee is on the premises of a business that has a mixed beverage permit, a private club registration permit, a wine and beer retailer’s permit or a beer retailer’s on-premise license if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premise consumption.


Scarborough is listed as a PRIVATE Club

My apologies. I thought you were saying the CHL was committing a crime, when it appears you were actually saying the private club could lose their TABC license, temporarily or permanently.

Sec. 11.61. CANCELLATION OR SUSPENSION OF PERMIT.
(a) As used in Subsection (b) of this section, the word "permittee" also includes each member of a partnership or association and, with respect to a corporation, each officer and the owner or owners of a majority of the corporate stock. This section shall not be construed as prohibiting anything permitted under Section 22.06, 24.05, or 102.05 of this code.
(b) The commission or administrator may suspend for not more than 60 days or cancel an original or renewal permit if it is found, after notice and hearing, that any of the following is true:
[...]

Sec. 61.71. GROUNDS FOR CANCELLATION OR SUSPENSION: RETAIL DEALER.
(a) The commission or administrator may suspend for not more than 60 days or cancel an original or renewal retail dealer's on- or off-premise license if it is found, after notice and hearing, that the licensee:
[...]

[Keith B]

The Texas Ren Fest is NOT off limits overall on the grounds. There are several individual buinesses listed that have individual licenses. Only two 'shops' are a 51% locations.

License #: BG670451

Trade Name: BARBARIAN INN

Owner: COACH'S COUNTRY STORE INC.
Location Address: 21778 FM 1774 BOOTH '77'

TODD MISSION , TX 77363

Mailing Address: PO BOX 204

STONEWALL , TX 78671

County: Grimes Orig. Issue Date: 9/4/2007
Status: Current Exp. Date: 9/3/2013
Wine Percent: 17
Location Phone No.: 5124977455

Subordinates:
Related To: Gun Sign: BLUE

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License #: BG440995

Trade Name: L. R. G. ENTERPRISES INC.

Owner: L. R. G. ENTERPRISES INC.
Location Address: 21778 FM 1774 #34

TODD MISSION , TX 77363

Mailing Address: 6114 SARATOGA SPRINGS LN

HOUSTON , TX 77041

County: Grimes Orig. Issue Date: 12/4/1998
Status: Current Exp. Date: 9/19/2013
Wine Percent: 17
Location Phone No.: 2819924478

Subordinates:
Related To: Gun Sign: RED
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License #: BG820214

Trade Name: L. R. G. ENTERPRISES INC.

Owner: L. R. G. ENTERPRISES INC.
Location Address: 21778 FM 1774 SHOP 231

TODD MISSION , TX 77363

Mailing Address: 6114 SARATOGA SPRINGS LN

HOUSTON , TX 77041

County: Grimes Orig. Issue Date: 9/24/2012
Status: Current Exp. Date: 9/23/2014
Wine Percent: 17
Location Phone No.: 713-856-7361

Subordinates:
Related To: Gun Sign: BLUE

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License #: BG580152

Trade Name: RENAISSANCE CATERING

Owner: P-VILLE INCORPORATED
Location Address: 21778 FM 1774 SHOP 13

TODD MISSION , TX 77363

Mailing Address: PO BOX 326

PLANTERSVILLE , TX 77363

County: Grimes Orig. Issue Date: 5/26/2005
Status: Current Exp. Date: 5/25/2014
Wine Percent: 17
Location Phone No.: 9368942922

Subordinates:
Related To: Gun Sign: BLUE

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License #: BG580158

Trade Name: RENAISSANCE CATERING

Owner: P-VILLE INCORPORATED
Location Address: 21778 FM 1774 SHOP 10

TODD MISSION , TX 77363

Mailing Address: PO BOX 326

PLANTERSVILLE , TX 77363

County: Grimes Orig. Issue Date: 5/27/2005
Status: Current Exp. Date: 5/26/2014
Wine Percent: 17
Location Phone No.: 9368942922

Subordinates:
Related To: Gun Sign: BLUE

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License #: BG820213

Trade Name: THE DRAGON SLAYER

Owner: CHAMPION CONCESSIONS LLC
Location Address: 21778 FM 1774 BOOTH #162

TODD MISSION , TX 77363

Mailing Address: 9949 HUNTERS HOLLOW

COLLEGE STATION , TX 77845

County: Grimes Orig. Issue Date: 9/24/2012
Status: Current Exp. Date: 9/23/2014
Wine Percent: 17
Location Phone No.: 979-777-4773

Subordinates:
Related To: Gun Sign: BLUE

[Keith B]

yes Scarborough Ren Faire is posted, the faire is in a dry county so therefore to be able to consume adult beverages it falls under the laws as a private club that makes 51% from onsite consumption. I have several club stickers on my camera case so I can have a brew or 2. Also it is in the TABC Database as a 51% location

The wet/dry county and private club is not regulated by TABC, it is a city or county thing. The stickers you have are probably mandated by the county regulations on how a private club is allowed to sell alcohol and what type. While the county may consider the festival as a private club, TABC only licenses the individual establishments at the festival at the state level, and as such that is what controls the gun restrictions on their part.

[Jaguar]

Sections 11.61(e) and 61.71(f) of the Alcoholic Beverage Code

An offense still occurs if the concealed handgun licensee is on the premises of a business that has a mixed beverage permit, a private club registration permit, a wine and beer retailer’s permit or a beer retailer’s on-premise license if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premise consumption.


Scarborough is listed as a PRIVATE Club

OK, I see the law and I can even see the entire facility being considered as premises due to the layout. But wouldn't a 51% sign still be needed at the entrance? There wasn't one the last time I went (2009 or 2010) and I seriously doubt they derive 51% from the sale of alcohol. Based on what I have observed and from discussions I would expect it to be more in the 25% range.

I don't recall seeing a 30.06 sign but there is a 30.06 notice on the website under weapons policy. Since I doubt most people would read the website they would still need signs. IIRC someone did say SRF did have 30.06 signs up.

I went this year for the first time and saw the 30.06 on the ticket windows booth. I didn't have my CHL at the time so I didn't pay too much attention to it, but it looked legal.

Also, I can't see SRF being a 51% facility for the whole thing. There are tons of shops and only a few places where alcohol is served, and those were not doing gangbusters business when I looked. I would say overall, 25% is very generous, maybe more like 10%.

Between my wife's shopping and my one beer, it was more like 1%, YMMV.

[Waco1959]

I went this year for the first time and saw the 30.06 on the ticket windows booth. I didn't have my CHL at the time so I didn't pay too much attention to it, but it looked legal.

Also, I can't see SRF being a 51% facility for the whole thing. There are tons of shops and only a few places where alcohol is served, and those were not doing gangbusters business when I looked. I would say overall, 25% is very generous, maybe more like 10%.

Between my wife's shopping and my one beer, it was more like 1%, YMMV.

Personally, I agree about the SRF not being classed as one premises but I can see where a legal argument could be made. As for revenue, my 25% is a very generous %. After you account for ticket sales, vendor fees, and food sales I would be surprised if alcohol was more than 10% of revenue but you never known how things are structured as far as who claims what revenue.

[smoothoperator]

Stay out of the buildings and don't become intoxicated.

[Moby]

I have never been and will never go because of the 30.06 sign.