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Re: Carry No More
In New Hampshire you would have a worry while it is easy to get a N.H. carry
permit if a LEO catches you legally carry then you can count on a big
dose of harassment. Luckily this is Texas and the worry is a lot less.
Carry when and where you feel comfortable at first. You can get used to
anything and what seems strange will turn into the new norm
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permit if a LEO catches you legally carry then you can count on a big
dose of harassment. Luckily this is Texas and the worry is a lot less.
Carry when and where you feel comfortable at first. You can get used to
anything and what seems strange will turn into the new norm
DO THE THING YOU FEAR AND THE DEATH OF FEAR IS CERTIN
THIS LITTLE SLOGAN HELPED ME GET THROUGH TRAINING (I WAS A SKYDIVER)
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Maybe he actually has a "life" or, a troll.74novaman wrote:Well, the OP last visited yesterday when he made this post.
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I still stand by this, troll or no troll. Come to think of it, if trolls started to live by this philosophy, they would no longer be trolls.
sugar land dave wrote:Original Poster,
Responsibility is an important thing. It does not make you important, rather it is the tasks you have been made responsible for that are important. It is a trust you have been granted by someone who themselves have a responsibility to determine that you are qualified and able to perform and bear the necessary burdens of some portion of society. The greater the responsibility, the greater the vetting is that a candidate for a responsible position must pass through.
As a CHL holder you were seen by an instructor licensed by an agency of the State of Texas. If that instructor does not believe you are capable, he does not have to give his approval. He actually has had "eyes on" experience with you and fulfilled his responsibility by determining that in his mind you were capable of meeting the requirements of conceal carry. In Austin, someone in the DPS office investigated your request for license, reviewed all necessary factors, and made a determination in your favor. Each level of government that the DPS person contacted had the responsibility to determine if you were a person qualified. The fact that you have your license in your pocket means that all had an opportunity to declare that they had reservations about you, but none did.
At some point in life, you must trust yourself as others have trusted you.
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Don't tell all you think, or put into action thoughts out of harmony or proportion with the occasion. Be friendly, but not common; don't dull your palm by effusively shaking hands with every chance newcomer. Avoid quarrels if you can, but if they are forced on you, give a good account of yourself. Hear every man's censure (opinion), but express your own ideas to few. Dress well, but not ostentatiously. Neither borrow nor lend. And guarantee yourself against being false to others by setting up the high moral principle of being true to yourself.
In Olde English, the most important part read:
"This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man."
Welcome OP, and may you make good decisions and stand bravely when accounting yourself to others.
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Troll?
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I do not think the Op is a troll I think the realization has not set in that it is legal to carry now
The responsibility is heavy with a CHL give the Op some time to get accustomed to it.
Get used to carry start out with going out in the front yard and gradually go from there.
Around the block, then to the park then a small store. Maybe go with a trusted friend at first
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The responsibility is heavy with a CHL give the Op some time to get accustomed to it.
Get used to carry start out with going out in the front yard and gradually go from there.
Around the block, then to the park then a small store. Maybe go with a trusted friend at first
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G26ster wrote:i can't speak for the OP, but he has a point. What are the odds of the CHL being attacked outside the home, vs. the CHL running afoul of the law just by carrying? If I was betting, I'd bet on the latter. Obviously he has read threads on the forum dealing with laws of concealed carry. Many of the posts usually contain the phrase "IANAL" meaning the layman's opinion of the post is worth what the OP paid for it. He has probably read numerous times, "I don't want to be the test case," or "You may beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride." The "ride" may mean you go free, but you've just spent your life savings to do so. He has also probably read of prosecutors, police chiefs, sheriffs, and LEOs that have their "own interpretation" of the law. Everyday on the forum there are questions posted with no clear legal conclusion.
How often and when to carry is a very personal choice. There is no doubt that it stretches from lackadaisical to the intense, depending on the individual. Some carry 24/7, both outside and inside the home, and have weapons stashed throughout the house. Others don't carry at all. Then there are those in the middle somewhere. Personal choice. Life is full of risks, and one person's decision when and where to be armed does not fit in with every other person's decision.
The OP stated he would have defensive weapons at home. When we read almost on a daily basis that a BG was shot breaking into a home or business, he's got that covered. Outside the home, we preach d-escalation, run to get away if you can, and only as an absolute last resort to use your weapon. How often do we read about the CHL outside the home having to use his weapon? Infrequently I think. Perhaps in a high risk business (stop & rob, jewelry store, etc.), but not just out and about. Can it happen just out and about? Sure it can, and it does, but then the odds of it happening come into play again. I'm old, slow and dated, but I recall that even in a combat zone everyone was not armed 24/7. I think the OP is simply weighing his risks and believes the risk of running afoul of the law, whether by his own error, or by vagueness in the law or the loose interpretation of some in authority, is greater than the risk of being attacked outside his home. I wish the OP the best with his decision(s).
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I think the OP may have been focusing on something completely different. I believe he may be worried about what happens after he defends himself, even if it is a righteous shooting. He may have heard the multitude of stories about how you can sit in jail for months, pay tens of thousands of dollars, lose everything you own, and still end up getting convicted if the DA is an anti. In that case, it seems like the government is as out to get you as the bad guy was.
I hate to use cliches, but I would advise him, "Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six".
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I know people who have a CHL and don't carry outside the home. They like having the option of carrying if they choose to do so. There is nothing wrong with this in my humble opinion. It is no more radical than carrying five guns and six hundred rounds of ammo. Both are choices and to each his own.
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Not sure. He seemed fine when he said, "I will keep my guns for home protection but that is as far as they will go." That leads me to believe it's only the potential pitfalls of carrying outside of the home that troubles him. Doesn't seem like he has an issue with defending himself at home.johnson0317 wrote:I think the OP may have been focusing on something completely different. I believe he may be worried about what happens after he defends himself, even if it is a righteous shooting. He may have heard the multitude of stories about how you can sit in jail for months, pay tens of thousands of dollars, lose everything you own, and still end up getting convicted if the DA is an anti. In that case, it seems like the government is as out to get you as the bad guy was.
I hate to use cliches, but I would advise him, "Better to be judged by twelve than carried by six".
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Shooting someone in your castle has much more protection against both criminal and civil suits. He probably understands this.
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Thank you to everyone who responded... both supportive and critical.
To clarify, I am not afraid to defend myself or my loved ones from an attacker. And I am not fearful of prosecution for anyplace I may or may not have carried. And I am not afraid of the responsibility of carrying.
I am concerned about police over reaction during a routine traffic stop or an accidental un-concealing while shopping... like the late Erik Scott. I am concerned about over zealous prosecutors and anti-gun judges. I am concerned about the legal nightmare that is likely after a SD shooting, not even to mention the possible civil suits following a criminal case. Perhaps I should have read up on all of that before jumping through the hoops to get my CHL, but I did not and that is where I am now, like it or not.
I do believe that the likelihood of having to defend myself outside of my home with deadly force is less than the likelihood of unjust persecution. But, to be crystal clear, I am not advocating that ANYONE follow my lead... every man must decide for himself what his personal situation requires.
All of that said... I did carry yesterday. The supportive and critical replies to my original post were read, considered and appreciated.
To clarify, I am not afraid to defend myself or my loved ones from an attacker. And I am not fearful of prosecution for anyplace I may or may not have carried. And I am not afraid of the responsibility of carrying.
I am concerned about police over reaction during a routine traffic stop or an accidental un-concealing while shopping... like the late Erik Scott. I am concerned about over zealous prosecutors and anti-gun judges. I am concerned about the legal nightmare that is likely after a SD shooting, not even to mention the possible civil suits following a criminal case. Perhaps I should have read up on all of that before jumping through the hoops to get my CHL, but I did not and that is where I am now, like it or not.
I do believe that the likelihood of having to defend myself outside of my home with deadly force is less than the likelihood of unjust persecution. But, to be crystal clear, I am not advocating that ANYONE follow my lead... every man must decide for himself what his personal situation requires.
All of that said... I did carry yesterday. The supportive and critical replies to my original post were read, considered and appreciated.
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As with so many decisions in life, the choice to carry or not is one of risk versus reward -- or in some cases risk versus risk. When assessing and evaluating risks, we have to consider both the probability of outcomes as well as the severity. The OP confesses unease about what I consider the lesser risks of carrying -- official harassment, judicial bias and the like -- that can sometimes occur. I consider these to be lesser risks because the probability is still low, though perhaps not as low as having to draw and engage an attacker, and the severity is relatively low. Legal/harassment issues cannot conceivably be more severe than losing one's life when having and employing a tool might have prevented it. The greater risk in all cases for me (still very/extremely low probability) is the possibility of loss of life -- either my loved ones' or my own.
Mitigating the lesser risks involves being informed, behaving respectably at all times, avoiding circumstance that would lead to problems where possible, and otherwise acting at all times as a "reasonable person" would. After all, your actions MAY (again very low probability from what I have read and seen) ultimately be judged for "reasonableness" by a jury of your peers.
Mitigating the greater risk means having and being prepared to use any and all tools that may prolong your life or the lives of your loved ones. Your license means that you are able to have on you in most circumstances a potentially very handy tool. The decision is, of course, each individual's to make....
Mitigating the lesser risks involves being informed, behaving respectably at all times, avoiding circumstance that would lead to problems where possible, and otherwise acting at all times as a "reasonable person" would. After all, your actions MAY (again very low probability from what I have read and seen) ultimately be judged for "reasonableness" by a jury of your peers.
Mitigating the greater risk means having and being prepared to use any and all tools that may prolong your life or the lives of your loved ones. Your license means that you are able to have on you in most circumstances a potentially very handy tool. The decision is, of course, each individual's to make....
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I rescind my troll remark as you clearly are not one. However, you are in texas and the likelihood of the harassment you mentioned is very low. Before chl and mpa i got pulled over many times with my gun in the glovebox and never a word was said. This includes the notorious houston police.
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I often feel the way the OP does...I try to carry as often as I can, but the statistical odds (as inferred in the quote above) make me wonder sometimes...i can't speak for the OP, but he has a point. What are the odds of the CHL being attacked outside the home, vs. the CHL running afoul of the law just by carrying? If I was betting, I'd bet on the latter.
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