stash wrote:Maybe I am out of the loop or something but are we suppose to carry some type of registration in the vehicle and provide it to LEO when asked? I get that piece of paper when I renew my sticker every year but I don't keep it in the car/truck.
Seems to me the piece of paper that comes with the sticker says something about it being required to be carried in the vehicle only for commercial vehicles. (From my not-quite infallible memory. )
That's correct.
Just looked at my receipt and that's what it says.
News to me.
Referencing my post below, I was in a commercial vehicle so I guess that's why he asked for it.
I have yet to be stopped in my own vehicle.
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My pov usually resides at our Truck yard and on rare occasion I use it for travel home. During it's last stay it's inspection had expired and as I was coming home, at two a.m., I needed to refuel. Of course a kind local leo noticed the sticker while I was parked and hid around the corner of the building until I left, falling in behind me. I saw her look at the truck and then "hide".
I knew she was going to stop me and for just cause.
The Officer initiated the stop, I pulled over, engine off, interior lights on, with my TDL and insurance in my hand at 1200 on the steering wheel in plain view. She asked if I knew why she pulled my over and I explained that I had let the inspection expire while I was on the road in my big truck. She took the documents, returned to her unit and 3-4 minutes later returned to the window asking if I had my pistol with me. I explained I was unarmed because of work. She returned several minutes later returning my documents, asked me to please update the inspection and have a nice morning.
She did mention after advising her I was unarmed that "I asked because some times they (CHL holders) don't show me their permit when they are armed."
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2up1down wrote:My pov usually resides at our Truck yard and on rare occasion I use it for travel home. During it's last stay it's inspection had expired and as I was coming home, at two a.m., I needed to refuel. Of course a kind local leo noticed the sticker while I was parked and hid around the corner of the building until I left, falling in behind me. I saw her look at the truck and then "hide".
I knew she was going to stop me and for just cause.
The Officer initiated the stop, I pulled over, engine off, interior lights on, with my TDL and insurance in my hand at 1200 on the steering wheel in plain view. She asked if I knew why she pulled my over and I explained that I had let the inspection expire while I was on the road in my big truck. She took the documents, returned to her unit and 3-4 minutes later returned to the window asking if I had my pistol with me. I explained I was unarmed because of work. She returned several minutes later returning my documents, asked me to please update the inspection and have a nice morning.
She did mention after advising her I was unarmed that "I asked because some times they (CHL holders) don't show me their permit when they are armed."
Hmm, glad it worked out for you. However -- (you knew there had to be one, right?) -- If it had been me, I would have responded, "Why no, officer, I have no clue why you pulled me over." After all, she may have been after something else. Let her tell me what's going on. Don't admit to anything. You wouldn't want her to respond, "OH, I hadn't noticed that, here's your ticket for both expired registration AND the fixit for burned-out license plate lights!"
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I have been stopped once since my CHL and it was no big deal. In fact the officer seemed like he was on Valium when I told him I had a CHL. You have to remember that they stop CHLs all the time and it is nothing new to them. Also remember this is Texas and many keep guns in their car on a permanent basis even if they don't have a CHL. I know a lot of women who keep a snub nose in the glove box or center console. Many don't want to make the jump to CHL but have no problem carrying a gun in their car 24/7.
stash wrote:Maybe I am out of the loop or something but are we suppose to carry some type of registration in the vehicle and provide it to LEO when asked? I get that piece of paper when I renew my sticker every year but I don't keep it in the car/truck.
I was informed by a Colorado LEO (who pulled me over) that Texas is one of only two states who don't require that you keep a vehicle's registration info in the car with you. FWIW...
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I've only had to show ID once after my CHL. It was when my brother and I encountered a thief stealing aluminum and copper at my Dad's business. When the first officer arrived and asked for ID I gave him both. He took both, stuck them in his belt and went to the thief who was on the ground. Second officer arrived and asks for my ID and retrieves it when I let him know first LEO has it. He said he didn't need my CHL and handed it back and writes in his little notebook. While we're waiting for tow truck to take thief's vehicle and after the second officer is gone our conversation gets around to CHL and he says he always gives warnings unless it's a really over the top offense. He said he never knows when one of those peoplee would be there to have his back in a tight situation. Sounded good to me.
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sugar land dave wrote:Stopped once by a Constable. I won't go into details. When he asked for ID, I handed him my DL and CHL. He looked at it a second, then handed the CHL back and said "I don't need this." He walked behind the car, checked for warrants, then returned with a warning. I wished him a good day and was back on my way.
Same here with me. I've been pulled over one time and he immediately handed it back to me and said he didn't need to see it. It was for an inspection sticker over 60 days (61st day actually)
He was very nice and to the point with the stop. Back on the road in about 5 minutes.
G.A. Heath wrote:10 is just a prefix used for radio talk. Commonly you see 10-4 used for ok/good/acknowledge , 10-72 as negative, out here a 10-19 is a fight and 10-25 is meet up some where. 10 codes are not standardized, truckers use one set while your local PD may use another, and the next town over may use yet another set. My understanding is that Texas departments usually base theirs off of what the DPS uses, but that is just something I heard from an officer who may or may not know it for a fact.
Keep in mind that 10-codes are pretty old school. Since 9/11, DHS recommendations for ease of communications between agencies have suggested that agencies use plain English rather than 10-codes. Many large agencies have been plain English for years anyways (for example: Houston PD).
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G.A. Heath wrote:10 is just a prefix used for radio talk. Commonly you see 10-4 used for ok/good/acknowledge , 10-72 as negative, out here a 10-19 is a fight and 10-25 is meet up some where. 10 codes are not standardized, truckers use one set while your local PD may use another, and the next town over may use yet another set. My understanding is that Texas departments usually base theirs off of what the DPS uses, but that is just something I heard from an officer who may or may not know it for a fact.
Keep in mind that 10-codes are pretty old school. Since 9/11, DHS recommendations for ease of communications between agencies have suggested that agencies use plain English rather than 10-codes. Many large agencies have been plain English for years anyways (for example: Houston PD).
As I said they are not standardised. I work less about 30 miles from the NM state line and their state police 10 codes are different than the city/county 10 codes used on our side of the line. For example the dispatchers here would say "For your 43 the subject has an active 44." Which on our side of the line means "For your information that guy you have stopped has an active concealed handgun license. Now if you take a NM State trooper and give him the same message he will get confused as he is being told "For your drag racing at (location called) subject has an active accident with no injuries.
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I've been stopped twice since I got my CHL several years ago. First time was for 45 in a 35 on 146 in Seabrook (ridiculous). I informed her that I was not carrying. She just looked at it and gave it back. A few months ago, I was pulled over by DPS for "excessive speed" (don't really think so) and "failure to signal lane change" (guess I didn't). When he approached, I had the driver's side window down with both hands visible on the steering wheel. I handed him my DL and CHL and informed him that I had a shotgun under the back seat as I was taking it to a gunsmith. He was very chatty, wanted to know what kind, how I liked it, and said he had a Mossberg 500 as well in his cruiser. Gave me a warning and have a good day.
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