Mag Carrier Question

[dburke87]

I've been carrying for maybe three years now, but have never had a magazine carrier, or spare mags on my person for that matter. Well, I just ordered an entire new holster and mag carrier from Crossbreed, and I am a little unsure on something. In a situation such as a traffic stop, where an officer has asked for my ID, I show him that as well as my CHL, and then he proceeds to ask if I have a firearm/wishes to disarm me for whatever reason, do I also need to tell him about/produce my magazines? I believe I do not have to, but would like to have a 100% certainty. Also, if the law does not require me to, is it something I should notify him about anyways as maybe a "courtesy?"

Thanks in advance.

[WildBill]

I've been carrying for maybe three years now, but have never had a magazine carrier, or spare mags on my person for that matter. Well, I just ordered an entire new holster and mag carrier from Crossbreed, and I am a little unsure on something. In a situation such as a traffic stop, where an officer has asked for my ID, I show him that as well as my CHL, and then he proceeds to ask if I have a firearm/wishes to disarm me for whatever reason, do I also need to tell him about/produce my magazines? I believe I do not have to, but would like to have a 100% certainty. Also, if the law does not require me to, is it something I should notify him about anyways as maybe a "courtesy?"

Thanks in advance.

I wouldn't bother. You don't need a CHL to carry magazines. The magazines aren't much good without a firearm.

[b322da]

I've been carrying for maybe three years now, but have never had a magazine carrier, or spare mags on my person for that matter. Well, I just ordered an entire new holster and mag carrier from Crossbreed, and I am a little unsure on something. In a situation such as a traffic stop, where an officer has asked for my ID, I show him that as well as my CHL, and then he proceeds to ask if I have a firearm/wishes to disarm me for whatever reason, do I also need to tell him about/produce my magazines? I believe I do not have to, but would like to have a 100% certainty. Also, if the law does not require me to, is it something I should notify him about anyways as maybe a "courtesy?"

Thanks in advance.

I wouldn't bother. You don't need a CHL to carry magazines. The magazines aren't much good without a firearm.

You are the last one I want to get crosswise with, Bill, but broad statements may be fine in the abstract, but perhaps not in the particular, and they may unntentionally mislead others.

For example, I once entered a county building to clear up a vehicle license plate problem. Before entry I removed my handgun and put it in my car safe, leaving my IWB holster on the right, and a spare mag in its little holster on the left. Having been there before, I knew that there was a walkthrough magnetic detector with a couple of LEOs there to view what I took out of my pockets.

Along with my change and other little pocket trash I put my spare magazine in the LEO's little box. Then the magnetic detector squealed at me because of, most likely, the little bit of metal on my CrossBreed.

At that point I was very discourteously instructed to pick up the magazine and the rest of my stuff and that I could come back after removing the holster and the magazine from my person. He closed by saying he assumed I had a CHL, and I should know better than doing something stupid.

The point: something can be stupid without being illegal.

I only recite this tale, old buddy, to distinguish between what the law sometimes provides, and the real world.

Elmo

[WildBill]

I've been carrying for maybe three years now, but have never had a magazine carrier, or spare mags on my person for that matter. Well, I just ordered an entire new holster and mag carrier from Crossbreed, and I am a little unsure on something. In a situation such as a traffic stop, where an officer has asked for my ID, I show him that as well as my CHL, and then he proceeds to ask if I have a firearm/wishes to disarm me for whatever reason, do I also need to tell him about/produce my magazines? I believe I do not have to, but would like to have a 100% certainty. Also, if the law does not require me to, is it something I should notify him about anyways as maybe a "courtesy?"

Thanks in advance.

I wouldn't bother. You don't need a CHL to carry magazines. The magazines aren't much good without a firearm.

You are the last one I want to get crosswise with, Bill, but broad statements may be fine in the abstract, but perhaps not in the particular, and they may unntentionally mislead others.

For example, I once entered a county building to clear up a vehicle license plate problem. Before entry I removed my handgun and put it in my car safe, leaving my IWB holster on the right, and a spare mag in its little holster on the left. Having been there before, I knew that there was a walkthrough magnetic detector with a couple of LEOs there to view what I took out of my pockets.

Along with my change and other little pocket trash I put my spare magazine in the LEO's little box. Then the magnetic detector squealed at me because of, most likely, the little bit of metal on my CrossBreed.

At that point I was very discourteously instructed to pick up the magazine and the rest of my stuff and that I could come back after removing the holster and the magazine from my person. He closed by saying he assumed I had a CHL, and I should know better than doing something stupid.

The point: something can be stupid without being illegal.

I only recite this tale, old buddy, to distinguish between what the law sometimes provides, and the real world.

Elmo

Thanks for you comments, Elmo. My answer to the question in the OP was about traffic stops, not entering secure buildings or courts, etc. For those situations, I agree with your comments. If I were to be ordered out of the car during a traffic stop to be searched, I would advise the LEO that I was carrying a magazine, but was not armed. If I was just sitting in the car, I would not.

[b322da]

My answer to the question in the OP was about traffic stops, not entering secure buildings or courts, etc. For those situations, I agree with your comments. If I were to be ordered out of the car during a traffic stop to be searched, I would advise the LEO that I was carrying a magazine, but was not armed. If I was just sitting in the car, I would not.

Agreed, Bill. And I forgot something in my post, which I agree was on topic only thru extrapolation. I forgot to include what I said to the snappy LEO.

One thing I of course did not say, was, "But the law says...."

What I did say was, "Yes, Sir."

Elmo

[WildBill]

My answer to the question in the OP was about traffic stops, not entering secure buildings or courts, etc. For those situations, I agree with your comments. If I were to be ordered out of the car during a traffic stop to be searched, I would advise the LEO that I was carrying a magazine, but was not armed. If I was just sitting in the car, I would not.

Agreed, Bill. And I forgot something in my post, which I agree was on topic only thru extrapolation. I forgot to include what I said to the snappy LEO.

One thing I of course did not say, was, "But the law says...."

What I did say was, "Yes, Sir."

Elmo

Wise choice of words.

[shootthesheet]

So, it is illegal to wear a holster? I guess we should just continue to allow LEOs and security guards to enforce non-existent laws. It seems to me it would take longer, for someone in a hurry, to walk back to their car than to simply remove the holster and let them check it. LEOs do not make law but enforce them. I would demand the guard or LEO receive further education on the law if I ever experienced this. I would then go back every chance I had to make sure they got it right.

Each of us can choose to do as we like. But, until we start standing up and demanding respect for the law and our rights we are going to continue be harassed for no reason other than the LEO or guards opinion of how things should be. There is a proper way to handle this situation without immediately causing problems. Write a letter to supervisors and if that doesn't work to Reps and Senators. Do not allow misinformation to rob us of our right to obey the law without being unjustly harassed by thuggish behavior. I will support any gun owner/CHL that fights to stop this kind of thing. A government employee is a reprehensive of the government they work for. Their powers are limited by our rights and powers and it is time they learn those limitations. That is not rebellion or being a trouble maker to anyone but the little tyrants that want to bluff us into obedience. That is my opinion.

[A-R]

So, it is illegal to wear a holster? I guess we should just continue to allow LEOs and security guards to enforce non-existent laws.

If it was just the holster in the above story, I'd agree with you. But I think taking live ammo into a secure location through a detector is a bad idea and what caused the LEO's reaction. I carry my spare mags and empty gun holster into my kids' school all the time when I pick them up. And in doing so I know I am following the law. But I'm also not walking through a metal detector or putting a mag full of live ammo into the tray next to it. This is obviously going to alarm folks and is really unecessary. Just remove the spare mags and store them with the gun. For all we know, the LEO and a prosecutor could call the rounds in the mag an illegal "explosive device" or something. Just not worth it in a courthouse scenario.

[b322da]

So, it is illegal to wear a holster?

Gee whiz, I didn't know it was illegal. And I'm doggoned if I can find where someone said it was illegal.

Statements like that not only miss the point of the post, but they change the explicit language of a post which most people would find understandable, and they also invite problems for other innocent members and invite bad relations with local LEOs.

I do not question your additional thoughts, nor do I restate them so they mean something quite different. Indeed, I agree entirely, given the right place at the right time. This, I believe, is not a matter of rights, but rather a matter of common sense. Or, as I heard it put elsewhere, "Sometimes knowing when to assert one's right is almost as important as having the right."

Elmo