Man oh man what a day. I was posting in another forum today (Playstation) and a discussion about crime in the US and Canada came up. What ensued was a complete disreguard for the facts and some slamming of CHLs. Check it out:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playsta ... ing&page=1
Trying to defend myself from the Anti's....
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mtrend posted "I don't recall where I heard/read this but apparently, there are more family members that die because of guns than robberers... Nice 'protection'..."
This is actually a "statistic" that was generated by the anti-gunners. The way it was obtained was by taking all deaths (regardless of the actual source of death) and then evaluating how many of the households that experienced a death had a gun. Using this statistic is like claiming that my Father-in-Law died of cancer because he kept a .38 revolver in his closet.
If they really want to argue about guns & safety, they should first spend some time evaluating the numbers they use.
BTW, Interpol's numbers are (IIRC) calculated using the same activities as crimes in all countries. Saying their numbers are invalid is like arguing that a 9mm bullet is a different size in Germany than in the US because the US uses S.A.E. as its normal method of measuring things. The reason offered is completely irrelevant to the claim. Just because the U.S.A reports some things as crimes while other countries don't is irrelevant.
This is actually a "statistic" that was generated by the anti-gunners. The way it was obtained was by taking all deaths (regardless of the actual source of death) and then evaluating how many of the households that experienced a death had a gun. Using this statistic is like claiming that my Father-in-Law died of cancer because he kept a .38 revolver in his closet.
If they really want to argue about guns & safety, they should first spend some time evaluating the numbers they use.
BTW, Interpol's numbers are (IIRC) calculated using the same activities as crimes in all countries. Saying their numbers are invalid is like arguing that a 9mm bullet is a different size in Germany than in the US because the US uses S.A.E. as its normal method of measuring things. The reason offered is completely irrelevant to the claim. Just because the U.S.A reports some things as crimes while other countries don't is irrelevant.
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man I'm really sad there are people out there that would believe that stuff.
"just give the BG what he wants" to paraphrase one poster...what if what he wants is your life are you going to just lay down and give him that too?? what if he wants your GF or wife or daughter??
second there are between 1 million and 2.5 million DGU (defencive gun uses) in America every year. 90% of the time no shots are even fired as the BG runs off wetting himself.
third while we're throwing out the 2nd amendment why not throw out the 1st amendment don't need that any more. and the 4th that's out dated now. so now Gov. can bust down your door with F/A MP5s and what are you going to do about it roll up in to the fetal position and cry. real good tactic there.
show them:
http://www.a-human-right.com/
and my favorite one:
PS: check my sig. i love that quote.
"just give the BG what he wants" to paraphrase one poster...what if what he wants is your life are you going to just lay down and give him that too?? what if he wants your GF or wife or daughter??
second there are between 1 million and 2.5 million DGU (defencive gun uses) in America every year. 90% of the time no shots are even fired as the BG runs off wetting himself.
third while we're throwing out the 2nd amendment why not throw out the 1st amendment don't need that any more. and the 4th that's out dated now. so now Gov. can bust down your door with F/A MP5s and what are you going to do about it roll up in to the fetal position and cry. real good tactic there.
show them:
http://www.a-human-right.com/
and my favorite one:
PS: check my sig. i love that quote.
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I'm glad you at least gave them solid reasons.
Some people will never be swayed. When I tried to explain to my step-sister that my new, properly-functioning gun wasn't just going to "go off," she still preferred to remain in the dark.
The idea that she could be in enough danger at any point to possibly need a gun was too much for her to face.
Some people will never be swayed. When I tried to explain to my step-sister that my new, properly-functioning gun wasn't just going to "go off," she still preferred to remain in the dark.
The idea that she could be in enough danger at any point to possibly need a gun was too much for her to face.
"If a man breaks in your house, he ain't there for iced tea." Mom & Dad.
The NRA & TSRA are a bargain; they're much cheaper than the cold, dead hands experience.
The NRA & TSRA are a bargain; they're much cheaper than the cold, dead hands experience.
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Their posts said that if guns were illegal in our country, we'd have a lower crime rate. You might point out that in Washington, DC all firearms are illegal and they have one of the highest crime rates and murder rates in the country. I doubt this will change anyone's opinion, but I'd be interested in their response.
Their posts said that if guns were illegal in our country, we'd have a lower crime rate. You might point out that in Washington, DC all firearms are illegal and they have one of the highest crime rates and murder rates in the country. I doubt this will change anyone's opinion, but I'd be interested in their response.
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I definitely brought up that point and they dismissed it as rubbish.S&W6946 wrote:robert_d_niro
Their posts said that if guns were illegal in our country, we'd have a lower crime rate. You might point out that in Washington, DC all firearms are illegal and they have one of the highest crime rates and murder rates in the country. I doubt this will change anyone's opinion, but I'd be interested in their response.
