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Can someone explain this to me?will381796 wrote:FEDERAL PROPERTY = NO CARRY. NOT EVEN IN YOUR CAR.
That's a whole different thread. This one is about keeping Brian704 out of the slammer while he and his wife visit Space Center Houston and NASA.boomerang wrote:Can someone explain this to me?will381796 wrote:FEDERAL PROPERTY = NO CARRY. NOT EVEN IN YOUR CAR.
I hear people say the Bill of Rights hasn't been "incorporated" so it doesn't apply to the states. Only the feds.
If what you're saying is right then it sounds like the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to the feds either.
It would actually not be a felony. It would only be a felony if possessed with intent to commit a crime. Carrying a weapon in a federal "facility" is a misdomeanor level crime. Note the definition of facility.LarryH wrote:Yep. What he said. It would be a felony.will381796 wrote:FEDERAL PROPERTY = NO CARRY. NOT EVEN IN YOUR CAR.
But wait, The NASA administrator has carte blanche to make his own rules as codified in section 14 of the CFR.US CODE Title 18
§ 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
(e)
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).
(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
(2) The term “dangerous weapon” means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 21/2 inches in length.
(3) The term “Federal court facility” means the courtroom, judges’ chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.
(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.
1204.1005 - Unauthorized introduction of firearms or weapons, explosives, or other dangerous materials.
(a) The unauthorized carrying, transporting, or otherwise introducing or causing to be introduced, or using firearms or other dangerous weapons, explosives or other incendiary devices, or other dangerous instrument, substance, or material likely to produce substantial injury or damage to persons or property, into or upon NASA real property, facility, or installation, is prohibited.
(b) Paragraph (a) of this section shall not apply to: (1) The lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, or NASA contractor, who is authorized to carry firearms or other material covered by paragraph (a) of this section.
(2) The lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons at or on a NASA installation after written prior approval has been obtained from the installation Security Office in connection with sanctioned hunting, range practice, or other lawful purpose.
1204.1006 - Violations.
Please take notice that anyone violating these regulations may be cited for violating Title 18 of the United States Code (U.S.C.) Section 799, which states that whoever willfully shall violate, attempt to violate, or conspire to violate any regulation or order promulgated by the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration for the protection or security of any laboratory, station, base or other facility, or part thereof, or any aircraft, missile, spacecraft, or similar vehicle, or part thereof, or other property or equipment in the custody of the Administration [NASA], or any real or personal property or equipment in the custody of any contractor under any contract with the Administration or any subcontractor of any such contractor, shall be fined under this title [Title 18], or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
That's very interesting. I'll bet that if he were on official business he would insisted on keeping his gun.steve_stock wrote:I went with a FBI Agent who presented his badge and he wasn't even allowed to bring it in. I think if he pushed the issue he could have, the guy at the door probably didn't know. The agent didn't want to push the issue and make a scene so we locked it up in the car.
They do that to scare the kids?stevie_d_64 wrote: The big Astronaut (in the center) that is suited up in the EVA suit, and holding the American Flag is my Dad...Yeah, on the environmental control panel on his chest it says "YOUNG" (For John Young) its really my Dad face...
