disarmed by Friendswood PD

[WildBill]

I am sending an E-mail to the chief
this is its contents

Good day to you Chief Wieners. Though we have met you do not know me. MY name is J.T. Vinson. we have met at prodefense.(I work there im the big guy with a beard). I have an issue I wanted to bring to your attention, and rather than take up your time with a formal complaint, or bothering you on the phone, I thought an E-mail would be better so you can respond at your leisure.

About a week ago I was stopped but one of your officers. I took of my helmet and gloves and handed over my DL and CHL without a word.
In a way that is hard to describe his demeanor changes. He asked if I was carrying. I said yes. The officer then proceeded to my right side and said where. my response was 4 o'clock. When I moved my jacket for him to see my XDM was swiftly yanked from its holster and shoved inside his pants at the 6 o'clock position. Just as he had done so he headed back to his car and said I am going to keep this with me for now. I was always told the side of the road is not the place to argue. Thus I have brought this to you. I am assured by Mr Cotton that you are indeed a supporter of the CHL program and you a good man.
I guess what I want out of this is better education for the patrolman under you. There was no cause for my being dissarmed, and I did not apreciate my firearm being violated like it was.

For your reading if you should chose this subject is being discussed on Mr Cottons forum.
I am providing the link for you its a good read.

If you want to make a favorable impression on Chief Wieners, I would suggest editing your letter for spelling, grammar, punctuation, format and content.

[KD5NRH]

Everyone thought Bundy was a nice neighbor until they found bodies in his freezer.

And lots of "Officer Friendlys" have been busted for nearly everything under the sun as well.

If he wants to trade guns for the duration of the stop, I'll not complain. If he's carrying an XD45ACP, I might even let him keep my Taurus afterward.

[Tireshred]

I've chatted with the Chief on a couple of occasions not associated with police work and he seems to be quite a nice guy, very easy to talk to. I'm on the waiting list and reading all these posts helps tremendoulsy.

[HGWC]

Situations like this make me think about letting my CHL expire.

Someone can legally carry in their car without a gun license. They have no duty to inform the police they have a gun in the car. Out of sight, out of mind.

Why should I take a class, get fingerprinted, pay the $70 renewal fee, wait for a background check, just so I can be arbitrarily disarmed?

The law says you're required to notify that you have a CHL, only if you possess a handgun. You have no obligation to notify that you are actually in possession of the handgun. Displaying a CHL doesn't give the officer grounds to search and seize your firearm. If you don't admit that you have a gun, he will have no grounds to pat you down or search your vehicle, or seize your gun.

[TraCoun]

Thats my point exactly there was no cause i was not violent nor did i raise my voice at anytime i simple handed over my 2 forms of ID and then was disarmed and it was removed from my person not me removing it and handing it to him

lunchbox,
I'm not trying to say that in this specific incident the officers were right, and I understand you were not violent and did not raise your voice. But BG's sometimes start out that way, being nice, etc., even cooperative, and then all of a sudden they go from calm to homicidal in 0.1 seconds flat. I remember seeing dash cam video of a lady state trooper (don't remember what state) who had stopped a guy for speeding. They were at the back of his car and she was radioing in information. In a flash he went from calm and relaxed to swinging and punching (and he was a lot bigger than she was), beating the tar out of her. His intention was to kill her, because he told his daughter (about 9 years old, in the car with him) he couldn't go back to prison. Luckily for the officer she lived. When you are standing at arms length with someone, whether you know they are armed or not, whether they are acting calm or not, it can all change in a heartbeat.
Thanx,
TraCoun

[flintknapper]

Thats my point exactly there was no cause i was not violent nor did i raise my voice at anytime i simple handed over my 2 forms of ID and then was disarmed and it was removed from my person not me removing it and handing it to him

lunchbox,
I'm not trying to say that in this specific incident the officers were right, and I understand you were not violent and did not raise your voice. But BG's sometimes start out that way, being nice, etc., even cooperative, and then all of a sudden they go from calm to homicidal in 0.1 seconds flat. I remember seeing dash cam video of a lady state trooper (don't remember what state) who had stopped a guy for speeding. They were at the back of his car and she was radioing in information. In a flash he went from calm and relaxed to swinging and punching (and he was a lot bigger than she was), beating the tar out of her. His intention was to kill her, because he told his daughter (about 9 years old, in the car with him) he couldn't go back to prison. Luckily for the officer she lived. When you are standing at arms length with someone, whether you know they are armed or not, whether they are acting calm or not, it can all change in a heartbeat.
Thanx,
TraCoun

No doubt....things can turn bad, sometimes unexpectedly. I certainly hope all LEO understand this before they apply for the job.

Most of the time this is NOT the case...and even less so with CHL's.

The standard by which LEO may disarm is simple:

§ 411.207. AUTHORITY OF PEACE OFFICER TO DISARM. (a) A
peace officer who is acting in the lawful discharge of the officer's
official duties may disarm a license holder at any time the officer
reasonably believes it is necessary for the protection of the
license holder, officer, or another individual. The peace officer
shall return the handgun to the license holder before discharging
the license holder from the scene if the officer determines that the
license holder is not a threat to the officer, license holder, or
another individual and if the license holder has not violated any
provision of this subchapter or committed any other violation that
results in the arrest of the license holder.

The standard is NOT: Because sometimes bad things happen!

I want our officers to be reasonably safe while doing their job, but I do not support a "Officer safety at any cost, by any means" mentality. Thankfully, CHL disarms are fairly rare...but at least a half dozen members here have posted of disarms in just the last 2-3 yrs.

The law is a good one (when properly used), but it has the potential to become departmental "policy" if not challenged by CHL holders.

[WildBill]

Only lunchbox and the officer were on the scene. Unless he hears from Chief Weiners or the officer, we will never know the reasons behind the actions of the officer. lunchbox was not hurt, he was not arrested and got his guns back. Until then, I suggest that he learn from the experience and move on.

[flintknapper]

Only lunchbox and the officer were on the scene. Unless he hears from Chief Weiners or the officer, we will never know the reasons behind the actions of the officer. lunchbox was not hurt, he was not arrested and got his guns back. Until then, I suggest that he learn from the experience and move on.

Learn what?

[WildBill]

Only lunchbox and the officer were on the scene. Unless he hears from Chief Weiners or the officer, we will never know the reasons behind the actions of the officer. lunchbox was not hurt, he was not arrested and got his guns back. Until then, I suggest that he learn from the experience and move on.

Learn what?

Only lunchbox can answer what he learned from this experience.

[flintknapper]

Only lunchbox and the officer were on the scene. Unless he hears from Chief Weiners or the officer, we will never know the reasons behind the actions of the officer. lunchbox was not hurt, he was not arrested and got his guns back. Until then, I suggest that he learn from the experience and move on.

Learn what?

Only lunchbox can answer what he learned from this experience.

You mean: "Only lunchbox can answer what he learned from this experience" Grasshopper!

[WildBill]

Only lunchbox and the officer were on the scene. Unless he hears from Chief Weiners or the officer, we will never know the reasons behind the actions of the officer. lunchbox was not hurt, he was not arrested and got his guns back. Until then, I suggest that he learn from the experience and move on.

Learn what?

Only lunchbox can answer what he learned from this experience.

You mean: "Only lunchbox can answer what he learned from this experience" Grasshopper!

That's exactly what I mean.

[LarryH]

I am sending an E-mail to the chief
this is its contents

Good day to you Chief Wieners. Though we have met you do not know me. MY name is J.T. Vinson. we have met at prodefense.(I work there im the big guy with a beard). I have an issue I wanted to bring to your attention, and rather than take up your time with a formal complaint, or bothering you on the phone, I thought an E-mail would be better so you can respond at your leisure.

About a week ago I was stopped but one of your officers. I took of my helmet and gloves and handed over my DL and CHL without a word.

In a way that is hard to describe his demeanor changes. He asked if I was carrying. I said yes. The officer then proceeded to my right side and said where. my response was 4 o'clock. When I moved my jacket for him to see my XDM was swiftly yanked from its holster and shoved inside his pants at the 6 o'clock position. Just as he had done so he headed back to his car and said I am going to keep this with me for now. I was always told the side of the road is not the place to argue. Thus I have brought this to you. I am assured by Mr Cotton that you are indeed a supporter of the CHL program and you a good man.

I guess what I want out of this is better education for the patrolman under you. There was no cause for my being dissarmed, and I did not apreciate my firearm being violated like it was.

For your reading if you should chose this subject is being discussed on Mr Cottons forum.
I am providing the link for you its a good read.

I suspect the phrase in boldface was the reason for the disarm. Making any kind of "move toward the firearm" would be a first-class red flag for the LEO.

[lunchbox]

I learned nothing except I don't appreciate my gun being in some cops butt crack

[Charles L. Cotton]

I learned nothing except I don't appreciate my gun being in some cops butt crack

Congratulations, the thread is locked.

Chas.