Austin TX: Alamo Drafthouse Lake Creek (update, signs gone)

[TDDude]

Don't you guys realize that Austin is the liberal armpit of Texas?

Get used to it or move.

It's as simple as that.

[Kalrog]

Don't you guys realize that Austin is the liberal armpit of Texas?

Get used to it or move.

It's as simple as that.

That was helpful. Especially when we have already mentioned several other AUSTIN locations of the same business that are NOT posted. The one that is posted is dang near in Cedar Park, not the downtown Austin of the other locations. And Cedar Park / Williamson County is not known for being liberal.

Although if liberal were to be correctly interpreted, what this Alamo location is doing is most certainly NOT liberal. Too bad words don't mean what words mean anymore...at least not in the political arena.

[DVDTracker]

Don't you guys realize that Austin is the liberal armpit of Texas?

Get used to it or move.

It's as simple as that.

Maybe so, but it's a whole world better compared to my former residence in California.

[KBCraig]

... the late Jim Nicholson ...

That is reason enough for a quote, right there.

"Jimmy D." was an awesome gun rights activist. He will be missed; I miss him already.

[pt145ss]

Don't you guys realize that Austin is the liberal armpit of Texas?

Get used to it or move.

It's as simple as that.

Liberal or not, I have only seen 4 30.06 signs here in Austin, and out of those 4, only 2 were posted properly.

Maybe I just don't get out enough.

[milodog]

I agree with others that have said, don't educate her about the illegal sign.

When I read her email, she said "I have enclosed a link passed along from another member of my management team that lists many commonly asked questions and the appropriate answers from the Texas Department of Public Safety Division of Handgun Licensing."

That makes me think, she has someone on staff who is familiar with but not completely educated on CHL's and the law. I suspect that person is anti-gun and told her a bunch of horror stories to convince her to put up the sign. As with most normal people who over-react like that, they don't read all of the law, just the part they think (or were told) applies.

I can easily see some anti-gun dope telling her guns are bad and all you have to do is put up this sign and we'll be safe....

Just a thought...

[pt145ss]

IIRC, 30.06 signs are supposed to be posted on all entrances to the building.

I don't think they are required to post at all entrances. However, If you do not see it, then it is not effective notice.

Careful, that is not true at all. Your seeing the sign is irrelevant.

Above txinvestigator says seeing the sign is irrelevent but below is a post from another thread with a similar question. Here it is said that it is only effective if you see it. The scenario in this thread is that the 30.06 is not posted on the entrance but is posted in the booth for which one does not necessarily have to go to to gain entry into the building, have you recieved effective notice? The situation in the thread below is a mall with multiple entrances of which not all are posted. If one uses an entrance that is not posted have you received effective notice?

If you saw one, then it's effective notice. If you didn't see one, then you haven't been given effective notice.

Look at it this way. What you saw or didn't see is controlling, not which entrance you used (assuming the one you used didn't have a 30.06 sign.)

Chas.

[Kalrog]

Above txinvestigator says seeing the sign is irrelevent but below is a post from another thread with a similar question. Here it is said that it is only effective if you see it. The scenario in this thread is that the 30.06 is not posted on the entrance but is posted in the booth for which one does not necessarily have to go to to gain entry into the building, have you recieved effective notice? The situation in the thread below is a mall with multiple entrances of which not all are posted. If one uses an entrance that is not posted have you received effective notice?

Different situation. In this case, the sign itself does not meet the legal requirements to be effective notice. In the mall situation, the sign itself DOES meet the legal requirements to be effective notice. So if you see a sign anywhere on the property that meets the legal requirements, then you have been notified. If you do not see a sign that meets the legal requirements then you have not been notified. Regardless of how many doors are posted.

[GrillKing]

So if you see a sign anywhere on the property that meets the legal requirements, then you have been notified.

Or reasonably should have seen. If it meets the requirements, you should have seen it!

[htxred]

did not read the entire thread, only the first post, but it is to my understanding most places that serve alcohol post 30.06, taco cabana, etc.

[Kalrog]

did not read the entire thread, only the first post, but it is to my understanding most places that serve alcohol post 30.06, taco cabana, etc.

Totally not correct. All places that sell alcohol are required by TABC to post a notice. If they derive more than 51% of their revenue from the sale of alcohol for on premises consumption, then they have to post the TABC "51%" sign. Otherwise they have to post the TABC "Unlicensed Possession" sign. 30.06 is totally irrelevant to alcohol sales and most places that server alcohol that I have been don't do 30.06.

[pt145ss]

Above txinvestigator says seeing the sign is irrelevent but below is a post from another thread with a similar question. Here it is said that it is only effective if you see it. The scenario in this thread is that the 30.06 is not posted on the entrance but is posted in the booth for which one does not necessarily have to go to to gain entry into the building, have you recieved effective notice? The situation in the thread below is a mall with multiple entrances of which not all are posted. If one uses an entrance that is not posted have you received effective notice?

For argument sake...let's suppose for a minute that the AD did have a valid sign i.e. correct language, size and etc. but still has in posted in the booth. As a customer meeting someone there who already bought the tickets and never going to the booth. Is it effective notice? The mall situation, it meets all of the requirements...to include being posted in a “conspicuous manner�…I happen to enter the building from a door that the sign is not visible…have I received effective notice?

I agree that no matter where it is, once I see it, I have received notice. I would also have to agree that if I enter a building that is posted on the door (for example) and I had gone through that door, then it is reasonable to believe that I should have seen it and therefore had effective notice.

Real world example. The institution I bank at has a valid 30.06 (at least they did until they moved buildings…I do not know if the new building is posted). The lobby has two entrances. When entering from one side of the lobby, one does not see the 30.06 sign on the wall as a structural column obstructs the view. If one enters the lobby from the other side, the 30.06 is clearly visible. I will say that the first few times that i was in the lobby, I did not know the sign was there…those first few times in the lobby, was it effective notice? I agree that as soon as I saw it, then I had effective notice (needless to say I stopped going to that branch). A bit of a side note, one of the other branches is posted in the vestibule but the lettering is way too small.

Another situation. I went to a restaurant last week. I checked the door when I went in and there was no signs period. We sat down ate and then left. On my way out, posted on the wall next to the door was one of those “unlicensed possession� signs. I was glad that it was not a 30.06 sign but had it been one, I would not have seen it until I left. Had it been a valid 30.06 (considering it was posted in a conspicuous manner…although one would not see it until leaving)….would it have been effective notice?

[htxred]

lol, someone took what i said the wrong way.

[Kalrog]

lol, someone took what i said the wrong way.

That happens sometimes online. Much easier to do when we are discussing the minutia that is the US/Texas legal code. Would you care to clarify?

[jimlongley]

Notwithstanding the 'properness" of their 30.06 sign, since the AD does serve alcohol for consumption on premise, are they not in violation of TABC rules if they DON'T post either of the two TABC signs?