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Re: Sign on NASA property

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ScottDLS wrote: Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:27 pm Yes I would, because the one case prosecuted under this Postal reg, against an Employee of the post office, specifically had the 18 USC 930 charges dropped because the gun was not in a facility. And the employee was convicted of the infraction and at the time was a max $50 fine. He also lost his job. Chas. mentioned a case where a NASA employee was charged under their regulations and he was charged with the infraction, but won his case because there was not a sign posted.

This stands against the off duty cops without LTC who risk their freedom by being armed in a school zone in violation of a Felony federal statute. And the MPA carriers, and out of state licensees and rifle carrying people etc. :evil2:

And I do park in Federal parking lots with my firearm in my car, unless I see a sign that purports to prohibit it, which I have not seen yet.
It would be impossible* for me to get a firearm from the store to my home without transporting that firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. I assume that many others are similarly situated. I would love to see a SCOTUS ruling on the GFSZA because, strictly enforced, it would mean that a significant percentage of the U.S. population could never own a firearm, including many active LEO's.

*In fairness I thought of one possible way. I could charter a helicopter and fly over all nearby schools at an altitude of more than 1,000 feet. Then I would need to either airdrop the firearm(s) hoping my aim is true, or rappel down to the ground with them, as there are no suitable landing areas for a helicopter near my house. However, I'm reasonably certain that this would violate at least one other law. Tunneling might be another option.
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Re: Sign on NASA property

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Soccerdad1995 wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:08 pm It would be impossible* for me to get a firearm from the store to my home without transporting that firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. I assume that many others are similarly situated. I would love to see a SCOTUS ruling on the GFSZA because, strictly enforced, it would mean that a significant percentage of the U.S. population could never own a firearm, including many active LEO's.
It's impossible for you to unload the firearm and put it in a locked container while transporting it? :headscratch
I'm in a good place right now
Not emotionally or financially
But I am at the gun store
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Re: Sign on NASA property

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Keith B wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:10 am The parking lot is still federal property, however I believe they turn a blind eye to parking lot storage, at least that was what I was told by a security person there a few years ago.
18 U.S. Code § 930 does not apply to parking lots. It uses "Federal facility" like Texas law uses "premises". At the Air Force leased facility I used to work in we got a Judge Advocate opinion supporting this.

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
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(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
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Re: Sign on NASA property

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spectre wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:20 pm
Soccerdad1995 wrote: Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:08 pm It would be impossible* for me to get a firearm from the store to my home without transporting that firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. I assume that many others are similarly situated. I would love to see a SCOTUS ruling on the GFSZA because, strictly enforced, it would mean that a significant percentage of the U.S. population could never own a firearm, including many active LEO's.
It's impossible for you to unload the firearm and put it in a locked container while transporting it? :headscratch
I was not aware that the GFSZA allowed an exception if the weapon was transported in that fashion. So there is a way. That must be what the non-LTC holding LEO's do when they drop their kids off at school on their way to work.
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