seamusTX wrote:The Galveston County Senior Citizen Center at 2201 Avenue L in the City of Galveston has a 30.06 sign in red letters on glass.
This is a community activity center operated by the county. I can't see any valid reason for the sign.
I guess the question would be "Is the Senior Citizen Center licensed under Chapter 242?".
PC §46.035 wrote:
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally,
knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority
of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of
whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's
person:
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(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241,
Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed
under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license
holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home
administration, as appropriate;
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(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor
was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.
endigo wrote:I guess the question would be "Is the Senior Citizen Center licensed under Chapter 242?".
I doubt it. It's not a residence. It's mainly a place where senior citizens go to play bingo during the day. It's also available to anyone in the community who wants to hold an event.
Went for my annual property tax protest today to HCAD at 13013 Northwest Freeway. Big as could be posted on the inside set of the double glass entry doors was a 30:06 sign that included a small ghost buster sign as well.
I asked the uniformed and armed HCAD security officer if the sign had any legal meaning for someone with a valid CHL. I explained current law to him concerning buildings owned or leased by a government agency. He stated that he thought that I was correct but "Management" told him to leave the sign in place.
I've honestly tried wading through all 9 pages of this topic, but I just don't have the time or patience, so please excuse any repetition:
Tarrant Appraisal District - I believe it's been listed.
Ft Worth Zoo - Also discussed at length. I contacted the PR person there and got the "school" story.
Tarrant Country Records Building - I think that's what they call it. The newer building across the street South of the old courthouse. It has a non-30.06 sign that basically says "I don't care what your CHL manual or the legislature says, this is MY courthouse and you ain't bringin' a gun inside".
Really ticks me off. I need to take a picture of that to help me remember how to vote next round.
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My apologies about straying off the topic at hand.
I'm not all that knowledgable about writing on the internet.
Sorry, but I wasn't clear on my response to your post. I wasn't complaining about your question being off-topic, was I answering your question. I thought you were focusing on signs that weren't 30.06 compliant (wording, size, etc.), rather than the enforceability of 30.06 signs on government property.
The Galveston County Annex in League City is posted 30.06 in black letters on glass through the customer entrance to the left, but nothing is posted on the employee entrance on the right. Hmmmmm.......
Jack Johnson Center, Carbide Park, La Marque. This is a Galveston County facility. It contains a few offices but is mainly a place where any group can have a meeting or event.
Twice now I have had to visit the Gulfton Storefront (HPD station) and they have had a 30.06 sign in the window. I wait outside and talk to them through the doorway and tell them I am armed and they always say to come on in. I mentioned to one of the officers that the sign was not legal and she said "Yes, we know" but it is still there. Am I correct that it should not be there?
cpix wrote:Twice now I have had to visit the Gulfton Storefront (HPD station) and they have had a 30.06 sign in the window. I wait outside and talk to them through the doorway and tell them I am armed and they always say to come on in. I mentioned to one of the officers that the sign was not legal and she said "Yes, we know" but it is still there. Am I correct that it should not be there?
There is nothing that prohibits them from posting the sign. The sign doesn't stop a CHL from carrying there, but it's not illegal for them to post it.
There is nothing that prohibits them from posting the sign. The sign doesn't stop a CHL from carrying there, but it's not illegal for them to post it.
I'm sorry, I doubted your answer and checked with my instructor from years ago. He says that Gov. Perry signed an Executive Order several years ago stating that state and local governments shall not post 30.06 signs. He is researching and will send me a copy. I will post the number and date when I receive it. Thanks KB for your response.
cpix wrote:He says that Gov. Perry signed an Executive Order several years ago stating that state and local governments shall not post 30.06 signs.
He may well have, but an executive order cannot create a criminal offense. At best, the Governor could withhold funds from a department or municipality in some cases.
SB 1709 Disarming of CHL holder within Secure Area of Police or Sheriff Department’s Office
Provides that a peace officer may temporarily disarm a license holder when a license holder enters a nonpublic, secure portion of a law enforcement facility, and that the weapon shall be stored in a secure gun locker and returned when the individual leaves the facility.
Requires prominent notice at the entrance to the facility.
Applies only to premises used for the official business of peace officers described by Articles 2.12(1) and (3), Code of Criminal Procedure (referring to sheriffs and municipal police officers).
Defines "law enforcement facility" as "a building or a portion of a building used exclusively by a law enforcement agency that employs peace officers as described by Articles 2.12(1) and (3), Code of Criminal Procedure, and support personnel to conduct the official business of the agency.
Synopsis: this new only only allows police to disarm CHLs in a narrow set of circumstances. It does not make disarming mandatory. It does not make the premises off-limits. It imposes no duty to declare that you're an armed CHL. There is no penalty for a CHL who carries in such a place.
Dare you count the ways that government entities break the law ? The charter of The Great State Of Texas states that the State must side with the municipality even when the municipality is conducting an activity that is clearly illegal. I know this first hand - learned during the filing of a lawsuit against a municipality and seeking the assist of the State AG.
