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. I looked around and didn't see it anywhere, nor a new sign in its place. Has anybody else noticed this at any other locations? I'm curious if maybe the sign fell off or if they actually started removing them.
The one in Temple and Waco have the same Be Courteous signs on there doors. Nothing else postedAJSully421 wrote:I have been spending some time on Texas3006.com logging locations. Both TCs near me have a "be courteous" no open carry sign. They used to have invalid (too small) 30.06 signs... so by comparison, this is a vast improvement.
As a business owner, I allow (and encourage) all of my employees to CC on the job where they are allowed (A/C service business). I also allow OC while at the shop. However, due to the fact we deal with all aspects of the public, I do not allow OC when out of the office. After thinking long and hard about the issue, this was the best compromise I could come up with. As stated above, I encourage my employees to get their LTC to the extent I will pay for their class if they pay for the license (may have to rethink that with the reduction in costs, lol)Soccerdad1995 wrote:My thoughts are starting to evolve on signs like this one.
When OC first passed, I was really offended by the actions of a few large chains, Whataburger being one of them, who immediately stated that they would ban OC. They made these announcements as much as 6 months in advance, with no evidence whatsoever that OC would cause any issues at all for their restaurants. I felt like they were making a political statement as opposed to a business decision. And I would rather that the people selling me food, and for that matter entertainment, just stick with what they know best and not lecture me about their political beliefs.
But I am starting to realize that these businesses are in a tough position because there are a lot of small minded people out there who have been indoctrinated to truly fear guns. The mere sight of a gun will cause these folks to go into a mini-panic. Obviously it would be best for all of us if we could get these poor unfortunate souls to understand that an inanimate object is not going to hurt them. But am I starting to think that it may be a bit hypocritical of me to expect business owners to take up this effort given what I wrote in the above paragraph. As much as I would love to see all business owners allow, and even encourage, every LTC holder to openly carry firearms, I do understand that they must make a profit and it is reasonable for them to strike some type of a balance.
I do strongly prefer that businesses post courteous signs as opposed to valid 30.07 notices. If a customer OC's past a sign such as the one in the picture above, an employee can then just politely let them know that they need to untuck their shirt, giving them verbal (oral?) notice. The 30.07 wording with it's reference to OC in a criminal context has the unintended consequence of reinforcing the notion for some folks that carrying guns is bad, IMHO.
My feelings on 30.06 are much, much different. By posting a 30.06 sign, a business owner is restricting my ability to exercise fundamental human and civil rights on their property. They have the legal right to do this, but simple decency should dictate that such a restriction is only considered as a last resort to solve a compelling and significant issue. I don't think that any such issue exists related to the carrying of a concealed handgun by a LTC holder.
Soccerdad1995 wrote:My thoughts are starting to evolve on signs like this one.
When OC first passed, I was really offended by the actions of a few large chains, Whataburger being one of them, who immediately stated that they would ban OC. They made these announcements as much as 6 months in advance, with no evidence whatsoever that OC would cause any issues at all for their restaurants. I felt like they were making a political statement as opposed to a business decision. And I would rather that the people selling me food, and for that matter entertainment, just stick with what they know best and not lecture me about their political beliefs.
But I am starting to realize that these businesses are in a tough position because there are a lot of small minded people out there who have been indoctrinated to truly fear guns. The mere sight of a gun will cause these folks to go into a mini-panic. Obviously it would be best for all of us if we could get these poor unfortunate souls to understand that an inanimate object is not going to hurt them. But am I starting to think that it may be a bit hypocritical of me to expect business owners to take up this effort given what I wrote in the above paragraph. As much as I would love to see all business owners allow, and even encourage, every LTC holder to openly carry firearms, I do understand that they must make a profit and it is reasonable for them to strike some type of a balance.
I do strongly prefer that businesses post courteous signs as opposed to valid 30.07 notices. If a customer OC's past a sign such as the one in the picture above, an employee can then just politely let them know that they need to untuck their shirt, giving them verbal (oral?) notice. The 30.07 wording with it's reference to OC in a criminal context has the unintended consequence of reinforcing the notion for some folks that carrying guns is bad, IMHO.
My feelings on 30.06 are much, much different. By posting a 30.06 sign, a business owner is restricting my ability to exercise fundamental human and civil rights on their property. They have the legal right to do this, but simple decency should dictate that such a restriction is only considered as a last resort to solve a compelling and significant issue. I don't think that any such issue exists related to the carrying of a concealed handgun by a LTC holder.
This is why I've always maintained that 30.07 is more of a dress code restriction than a rights restriction. I will NOT frequent ANY 30.06 establishment for ANY reason. If there is no locally unposted establishment selling what I want, then I will order it online from some outlet that does NOT restrict my carry rights. For instance, I have a Walmart supercenter near my home, so I don't have to worry about this, but if, for instance Sears posted 30.06 signs, I know that Walmart does not, and so even if there wasn't a Walmart near my home, I could order online from them......so Sears doesn't get my online business either.canvasbck wrote:Soccerdad1995 wrote:My thoughts are starting to evolve on signs like this one.
When OC first passed, I was really offended by the actions of a few large chains, Whataburger being one of them, who immediately stated that they would ban OC. They made these announcements as much as 6 months in advance, with no evidence whatsoever that OC would cause any issues at all for their restaurants. I felt like they were making a political statement as opposed to a business decision. And I would rather that the people selling me food, and for that matter entertainment, just stick with what they know best and not lecture me about their political beliefs.
But I am starting to realize that these businesses are in a tough position because there are a lot of small minded people out there who have been indoctrinated to truly fear guns. The mere sight of a gun will cause these folks to go into a mini-panic. Obviously it would be best for all of us if we could get these poor unfortunate souls to understand that an inanimate object is not going to hurt them. But am I starting to think that it may be a bit hypocritical of me to expect business owners to take up this effort given what I wrote in the above paragraph. As much as I would love to see all business owners allow, and even encourage, every LTC holder to openly carry firearms, I do understand that they must make a profit and it is reasonable for them to strike some type of a balance.
I do strongly prefer that businesses post courteous signs as opposed to valid 30.07 notices. If a customer OC's past a sign such as the one in the picture above, an employee can then just politely let them know that they need to untuck their shirt, giving them verbal (oral?) notice. The 30.07 wording with it's reference to OC in a criminal context has the unintended consequence of reinforcing the notion for some folks that carrying guns is bad, IMHO.
My feelings on 30.06 are much, much different. By posting a 30.06 sign, a business owner is restricting my ability to exercise fundamental human and civil rights on their property. They have the legal right to do this, but simple decency should dictate that such a restriction is only considered as a last resort to solve a compelling and significant issue. I don't think that any such issue exists related to the carrying of a concealed handgun by a LTC holder.
There is a local restaurant that we frequent following out matches. I generally do not carry when I go there, because I'm planning on having an adult beverage while there.
One Saturday, we decided to go to said restaurant for lunch after IDPA. I had on my OC rig, I wasn't planning on having a beverage so I left it on. Our regular waitress came over to me and very discretely said "would you mind covering that up, we don't allow open carry". There are no signs posted. I told her "sure" and untucked and covered (poorly, as I was wearing my "go fast shirt" so printing was really obvious). I have absolutely no problem with a business that has made a decision like this one. As a matter of fact, if I go to that establishment now, I make sure that I am set up to conceal in a manner that is truly concealed out of respect for their wishes.They are not stopping me from carrying and respect my right to protect myself. I should also respect their wishes to have a certain atmosphere in their restaurant that does not include openly displayed firearms.
Yeah, 30.07 has that aspect to it, and I would rather have had my church take a more low-key approach, but the congregation is made up of all kinds of people - not all of whom are that gun-oriented - and I'm pretty sure that the leadership didn't want to invest the time and energy to approach every person who open carried into the church and tell them to either cover it up or take it outside. We have had an average weekly attendance of well over 1,500......probably closer to 2,000 by now (we had to build a larger building which we just moved into). Our worship center seats 850 people, and both of the Sunday morning services are full to capacity, plus there's a 5:00 pm service on Sunday. Anyway, I won't let 30.07 stop me from patronizing a business. Their house, their rules. But I read a 30.06 sign to mean "Your money not good here".......so I don't burden them with my money.ScottDLS wrote:I like the Taco Cabana approach. I am still somewhat insulted by 30.07 signs as I view them as a dress code enforced by the police power of the State, unlike (presumably) other dress codes.
I view it as "protect the snowflakes" sign, because the business doesn't want to have them scared off by an OC.ScottDLS wrote:I like the Taco Cabana approach. I am still somewhat insulted by 30.07 signs as I view them as a dress code enforced by the police power of the State, unlike (presumably) other dress codes.
