I now regret that OC passed

[Charles L. Cotton]

Other states don't have a problem and I have yet to see a new sign anywhere yet. I am starting to think there are a lot of false reports being generated by those with an agenda. Just my opinion. I still think it's much ado over nothing since it's only 5 days into it.

New 30.06 signs are being reported by Forum Members who have seen those signs. I must confess that the "other states" argument doesn't fly with me. It was used repeatedly by people who either weren't here in 1995, don't remember the period from 1995 until 9/1/1997, or who simply were not being honest. There was a huge backlash against concealed-carry and small, generic "no guns" decals were popping up all over the State. That's why we started working on what became HB2909/TPC 30.06 even before the 1995 session was over. (HB2909 passed in 1997.) Contrary to what some claim, the generic "no guns" signs/decals did not come down, not ever! They just became irrelevant with the passage of HB2909.

When someone claimed "it's not a problem in other states," I reminded them of our experience from 1995 to 9/1/1997, but it fell on deaf ears. Now we are seeing exactly what concerned me the most. You're right, we only six days into open-carry and we don't know just how large this problem will become. If the whiners don't stop harassing businesses, we're going to see more 30.06 and 30.07 signs.

I truly wish that open-carry supporters would admit that they were wrong and that there is a problem. However, I won't hold my breath. If I cannot carry my self-defense handgun into a store because they put up 30.06 and 30.07 signs, then someone's ability to show their handgun to everyone will have cost me the ability to defend myself. To me, that's a net loss for almost 1 million LTCs.

Chas.

[Tracker]

I don't live in a metro area but went to two chain stores today that are supposed to be posted. Neither had any signs...yet.

[Right2Carry]

Other states don't have a problem and I have yet to see a new sign anywhere yet. I am starting to think there are a lot of false reports being generated by those with an agenda. Just my opinion. I still think it's much ado over nothing since it's only 5 days into it.

The first 2 days I must of got half a dozen notifications from Texas3006 for new postings in my city. Been a few every couple of days also.

I don't use the website and I don't know if a location is verified before it is actually added. Seems to me if only one report of a location is needed there are those that could post false reports of sinage for any number of nefarious reasons. I am not saying this is happening but it could happen without some type of verification process.

the number of new postings compared to the number of businesses in Texas is bound to be minuscule at best. This is all an over reaction by people who refuse to let things settle out and give it a chance.

[Breny414]

I can't say that I get out much, but so far so good in Austin. Email from texas3006.com has been mostly 30.07 notices. Kerbey Lane, which I would have thought would be 30.06, is 30.07 only (pretty sure), and they are probably a bellwether for how the places I frequent will go.

On another note, I went to Cabela's in Buda on Sunday and I didn't see one person OC'ing

[mojo84]

Hang in there, this too shall pass.

[treadlightly]

I still think adjustment will happen over time, but it is frustrating.

The local paper recently carried a front page article about the county deciding which county offices to prohibit weapons from, and included the county attorney's office.

Kind of wish Paxton's opinion had been as plain as Governor Abbott's. Abbott specifically listed the county/district attorney's office as a place where license carriers could not be barred.

'Course the vast bulk of the population is already barred. It's a mountain out of a molehill. It being my particular molehill, it stings, but hopefully over time they will realize they are addressing a problem that doesn't exist.

[Pawpaw]

Other states don't have a problem and I have yet to see a new sign anywhere yet. I am starting to think there are a lot of false reports being generated by those with an agenda. Just my opinion. I still think it's much ado over nothing since it's only 5 days into it.

The first 2 days I must of got half a dozen notifications from Texas3006 for new postings in my city. Been a few every couple of days also.

I don't use the website and I don't know if a location is verified before it is actually added. Seems to me if only one report of a location is needed there are those that could post false reports of sinage for any number of nefarious reasons. I am not saying this is happening but it could happen without some type of verification process.

the number of new postings compared to the number of businesses in Texas is bound to be minuscule at best. This is all an over reaction by people who refuse to let things settle out and give it a chance.

So far, Texas3006.com has been very good at self-policing. Occasionally, for instance, someone will put in a new entry as a valid 30.06 location. Then someone else will come along and point out that it's the wrong verbiage, or the font is too small, etc. Russel has been very good at weeding those out and making corrections. On some of the locations, you can read several comments about some aspect of the posting. It's all very above board.

[parabelum]

Guys, maybe it's because I was born in Bosnia, lived 6 years through the war, and at times ate dirt and grass to survive, but this bellyaching I cannot understand.

Does everyone have a perspective as to what rights and freedoms you have here, especially in Texas?

Do you not understand that it isn't all just a matter of convenience (sorry, I stick by what I've said before, almost 99% of "stuff" you can have shipped to your door, often at a lower cost), but the passage of this bill sets a precedent for generations to come, not just yours?

This was a great milestone in Texas 2A movement, and I thank everyone who worked steadfastly to ensure its passage.

[baldeagle]

I don't have a dog in this fight. I will never OC. I think it's stupid to tip my hand to criminals. But I am old enough to sit back, read and think about things before responding. And here's what I see. Some people are reporting locations that have never had signs before now posting both 30.07 and 30.06. So now they can't carry where they used to be able to. The response of the OC crowd? Oh, they're probably false reports. Or oh, you're exaggerating. Or oh, chill out. It's no big deal. The exact same response we got before OC passed when people expressed concerns about heightened scrutiny of signs. IOW, it's the expression of a belief or position, not an expression of evidence.

It won't affect me much. I'm retired. I seldom go out, and when I do, I'm always carrying concealed. If some place has put up 30.06 signs now, I'll adjust and go somewhere else. What irks me is that people can protest loudly about how they support the 2nd Amendment, but when the rubber meets the road they never give a second's thought to how their actions impact the other ONE MILLION people who also carry. They're all about me, me, me. This business has no right to question me for carrying a gun, they say in a huff. Well, sorry, but you're ignorant. There's no other way to put it. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Just today I saw someone arguing that there's a difference between private clubs and public businesses, and public businesses have no right to question them about their LTC. No. You're ignorant. You don't understand the law.

At least for now, OC has made things much worse for gun owners, and they can thank the so-called activists, who chose public confrontation over the tried and true method of working within the legislature. Whether that will improve in the future remains to be seen. But the only victory activists can claim here is a hollow one. Now you can strut around with your gun on your hip in a rapidly decreasing number of places, and you took down the entire one million licensees with you. Congratulations on your "victory".

[parabelum]

But you see what you did there, you stated that YOU will never OC, which is your prerogative, but maybe some of us will occasionally OC and if so, personally, I will adjust accordingly. But please, if you or anyone else choose to CC only, respect those of us who, on occasion, may OC.

For what it's worth, I've made my stance on OCT known.

[baldeagle]

But you see what you did there, you stated that YOU will never OC, which is your prerogative, but maybe some of us will occasionally OC and if so, personally, I will adjust accordingly. But please, if you or anyone else choose to CC only, respect those of us who, on occasion, may OC.

For what it's worth, I've made my stance on OCT known.

I have no problem with people OCing. I have a problem with people being defiant, demanding their "rights" when they are ignorant about those rights and making such a fuss and stink about it that it hurts the one million others who have chosen to carry, each in their own way.

[parabelum]

But you see what you did there, you stated that YOU will never OC, which is your prerogative, but maybe some of us will occasionally OC and if so, personally, I will adjust accordingly. But please, if you or anyone else choose to CC only, respect those of us who, on occasion, may OC.

For what it's worth, I've made my stance on OCT known.

I have no problem with people OCing. I have a problem with people being defiant, demanding their "rights" when they are ignorant about those rights and making such a fuss and stink about it that it hurts the one million others who have chosen to carry, each in their own way.

And there sir, I agree with you 100%

[Winchster]

It is now, more than ever, in our best interest to increase our population from 5% to a statistically significant number. I believe OC will help with that. Once we represent a statistically significant portion of the population, our shopping habits will matter.

[John75]

I don't intend to OC but I fully support people demanding their Constitutional rights. If we aren't pushing gun rights forward, then we are losing. I don't mind changing where I shop and letting businesses know why. When anti-gunners are upset, then you can bet it's a good thing. Many people are just scared of guns and I believe OC may help diminish that.

[zero4o3]

But you see what you did there, you stated that YOU will never OC, which is your prerogative, but maybe some of us will occasionally OC and if so, personally, I will adjust accordingly. But please, if you or anyone else choose to CC only, respect those of us who, on occasion, may OC.

For what it's worth, I've made my stance on OCT known.

I think the issue is that in gaining OC we lost places we could carry in any form. and on top of that instead of being happy with the fact that they can OC the people who wanted it are now being disrespectful towards places or people who are against OC which in turn is more likely to create more places no one can carry.