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Post office

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:47 pm
by Brandon33
So is it still illegal to have your gun in your car while you go into the post office? :confused5

Re: Post office

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:50 pm
by jmra
Depends on where you park

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:35 am
by surprise_i'm_armed
Yes, it is illegal to have your gun on your person when you are inside the post office buildiing.

Yes, it is illegal to have any firearm in your car when you are parked on USPS property.

To be fully legal when entering a post office you must leave your gun(s) in your vehicle,
and park your vehicle in a place other than the USPS parking lot, then you may enter the USPS building.

I'm unsure about going into a USPS-licensed site that is inside a grocery store, for example.

SIA

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:14 am
by Jumping Frog
And if you have a gun on USPS property or inside the Post Office, you are risking a $50 fine and "up to" 30 days in jail.

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:48 am
by GlockDude26
it's easy use fedex, ups, or any of the many other carrier services that don't have a 30.06 sign and you can carry away. and they wonder why the post office is failing......

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:02 am
by JCole
Fedex and UPS Service Centers all have 30.06 signs as far as I know. The individual UPS Stores and Fedex Office locations may not.

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:28 am
by RoyGBiv
I've been using a local USPS service location inside my local hardware store for the past year or so. No worries about gun free zones in there. And as a bonus, USPS has improved their tracking/reporting dramatically over the past year. For (typically) less than half the cost of FedEx, USPS 2-day flat rate shipping has been excellent. Double-bonus that I don't have to disarm and I don't have to deal with USPS employee entitlement attitudes doing business with them through a 3rd party.

Win-win-win.

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:30 am
by Paul's Shield
If I have to use USPS, I do leave mine in the vehicle and parked on the street right in front of the building but not in the parking lot, but as far as I know, No USPS parking lot has metal/gun detectors.

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:48 am
by oohrah
JCole wrote:Fedex and UPS Service Centers all have 30.06 signs as far as I know. The individual UPS Stores and Fedex Office locations may not.
But at least you can park in their parking lot and leave the gun in the car (assuming the lot is not also 30.06ed, which is rare). At a Post Office, you can't even use the drive-thru mailbox w/o being in violation.

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:50 am
by jmra
Paul's Shield wrote:If I have to use USPS, I do leave mine in the vehicle and parked on the street right in front of the building but not in the parking lot, but as far as I know, No USPS parking lot has metal/gun detectors.
:iagree:
Another one of those pretty much unenforceable laws.

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:52 am
by jmra
oohrah wrote:
JCole wrote:Fedex and UPS Service Centers all have 30.06 signs as far as I know. The individual UPS Stores and Fedex Office locations may not.
But at least you can park in their parking lot and leave the gun in the car (assuming the lot is not also 30.06ed, which is rare). At a Post Office, you can't even use the drive-thru mailbox w/o being in violation.
Even if the parking lot is posted 30.06 you would be carrying under MPA instead of CHL. As long as the gun stays in the car there is no issue.

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:57 am
by JCole
jmra wrote:
oohrah wrote:
JCole wrote:Fedex and UPS Service Centers all have 30.06 signs as far as I know. The individual UPS Stores and Fedex Office locations may not.
But at least you can park in their parking lot and leave the gun in the car (assuming the lot is not also 30.06ed, which is rare). At a Post Office, you can't even use the drive-thru mailbox w/o being in violation.
Even if the parking lot is posted 30.06 you would be carrying under MPA instead of CHL. As long as the gun stays in the car there is no issue.
Those are good points.

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:59 am
by oohrah
Yes, thanks jmra, I forgot about MPA.

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:36 am
by jsenner
A Colorado court ruled last year that the firearms ban in parking lots was unconstitutional. Does anyone know if this went any further to other states or to a change in post office policy?

http://bearingarms.com/federal-court-wi ... king-lots/

funny: I read the review of this case on one of the liberal gun-terror websites, they said crazy stuff like, "guns can now be within a few feet of the post office, putting you and everyone else in grave danger" - good grief.

Re: Post office

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:42 am
by jmra
jsenner wrote:A Colorado court ruled last year that the firearms ban in parking lots was unconstitutional. Does anyone know if this went any further to other states or to a change in post office policy?

http://bearingarms.com/federal-court-wi ... king-lots/

funny: I read the review of this case on one of the liberal gun-terror websites, they said crazy stuff like, "guns can now be within a few feet of the post office, putting you and everyone else in grave danger" - good grief.
I don't think that is a correct interpretation of the ruling. IIRC, the argument and ruling were both very narrow and were based on conditions very specific to the individual and that location. I don't believe the ruling impacted anything beyond that particular case.
This is the decision:
"ORDERED, that the Defendants take such action as is necessary to permit Tab Bonidy to use the public parking lot adjacent to the Avon Post Office Building with a firearm authorized by his Concealed Carry Permit secured in his car in a reasonably prescribed manner"
I'm not sure that means we can all legally leave our guns in the car at the post office. What it may mean is the USPS issues the plaintiff a permit/written authorization that fulfills the order (this option is actually mentioned in the decision).