Signs for the CHLer

[speedsix]

...but now, if the police station is not located in another prohibited place (i.e. building in which offices of the court are located)...we may carry, subject to : http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01709F.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; I have, but not in the town where I live, where the court is also located...was not disarmed when I went into the squadroom to write my report...

[houston2458]

What about this sign? Is it not enforceable?

[speedsix]

...not in Texas...unless you ask them what it means and they give you a verbal explanation...so just walk on quietly by and betcha you won't beep....

[RPB]

What about this sign? Is it not enforceable?

Only gives notice to people who have no license that they aren't carrying concealed legally and that unlicensed persons shouldn't be carrying there .... it doesn't give effective notice to licensees at all, so it's not enforceable as to licensees, and really just a "feel good" sign since non-licensees shouldn't be carrying anyway.

Rather than asking them and being given "verbal notice" and then being required to leave else get arrested, you could call the number on the bottom of the sign and make laughing noises I suppose.

Now the "no concealed weapons" part concerns me because I learned that a hairbrush or keys across the eyes of an assailant could be a weapon, so have any female remove keys, brushes etc from their purses prior to entering so that they are not "concealed" because they have no license to carry those. You having a license means you can ignore that sign regarding a concealed handgun.

[speedsix]

...righton...our most deadly weapon was installed by the Creator between our ears...it may make use of many tools...

[ProjectKB]

Right.

I was just saying, the way the laws currently are written, it seems to me that if a Hospital is "required" to post a sign.
AND if they post a sign other than a 30.06 sign, (similar to a 51% sign without the red 51%)they complied with what they are required to do. However, such sign, under 30.06, does NOT give "effective notice" under 30.06 to a CHL. If a hospital wants to also post a 30.06 sign, they may.

CHLs may not carry past a 30.06 sign.

(I"m not including "school" hospitals such as UTMB, etc. etc. etc. in this statement, just private hospitals ... school property is another matter.)

That's my layman's opinion, I ain't a lawyer.

Just ran into this situation the other day and managed to snag a pic.

This is outside to the Abilene Regional Medical Center, Woman’s Center, Labor and Delivery entrance. As I was in a rush the first time through, I looked, thought *not a 30.06, I’m good* and blew past.

After everything normalized, I took a sec to look it over, discreetly snap a pic, and move on....

So I’m curious, was I in violation??

[RPB]

Are you carrying pursuant to Article 4413 (29ee) ?
I never have since it was repealed before I was licensed under Chapter 411 Government Code.

See this thread (Can I carry in a hospital if there is no 30.06 sign? ) and below: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=36032" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

See the first post in this thread re: 4413
- Old, incorrect verbiage (4413)


YES YOU CAN CARRY - Old, incorrect verbiage (4413).

More importantly is the absence of a compliant 30.06 sign.

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't see a compliant 30.06 sign in that photo you attached, which must be posted if a Hospital wants to restrict licensees in your photo, so I would carry.

Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:

(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;

i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

The sign you attached is not a 30.06 sign, and "by law" you can not carry if it was a 30.06 sign, which it isn't ...

So, no 30.06 sign = no violation.
I spent my money at the gun show and can't post bail for you and if you ask hospital administrators they'll give valid oral notice, after which you'll have to leave immediately or else be arrested, and they'll post the correct sign next week, but remain silent and concealed and you aren't breaking any law.
That's my layman's opinion, worth every penny you paid for it..

[johnson0317]

Excellent posts and thread. I take my class in the morning and I do not believe the topic could be covered any more succinctly that it was here. Thanks for the different pictures and whatnot. The decision to carry is fraught with enough peril as it is without these competing signs messing things up.

I really appreciate it!

RJ

[RPB]

This from a different thread here
Look at the license.

The SIGN=RED indicates a red 51% sign should be posted
where a SIGN=BLUE indicates a blue UNLICENSED possession sign should be posted
Sometimes business owners haven't learned their colors yet and post the wrong signs, but the TABC license should be correct

[paulhailes]

NO YOU CANNOT CARRY - TABC 51% Sign. Don't ignore it.

What about this sign? The language is the same but there is no 51%

Photo May 09, 6 46 47 PM by paulhailes, on Flickr

[RttlTrap]

That one only applies to UNLICENSED carry.

[RPB]

Location of the bottom signs?

I mean it looks like one hospitals are required to post, however hospitals aren't off limits to CHLs if there is no 30.06 sign. However, hospitals are still required to post that same sign, which itself is unenforceable pertaining to licensees, unless there is also a 30.06 sign.

If it's on front of a nightclub .... the red color 51 may have faded?

Second look:

looks like a paper photocopy of a 51% sign someone taped to a door ... NONE of the red ink copied as the border, the print at the bottom etc?

Where was this?

What kind of establishment?

If hospital I"d look and see if there was a 30.06

If restaurant/bowling alley/movie theater/ whatever/any other place, I'd ask to see their liquor license .. I don't go into bars

[mgood]

Thanks for bumping this thread. I was looking for it yesterday and couldn't find it.

[pbwalker]

That one only applies to UNLICENSED carry.

That is incorrect. You'll see the sign says LICENSED and UNLICENSED.

This is the sign that applies to UNLICENSED carry.

[RttlTrap]

That one only applies to UNLICENSED carry.

That is incorrect. You'll see the sign says LICENSED and UNLICENSED.

This is the sign that applies to UNLICENSED carry.

Oops! My public school education is showing

Guess it helps to actually read the sign,eh...

I think you're right -- looks like a photocopy of a 51% sign. I'm sure I would have misread it in person as well.