Do not mention your CHL at work

[casselthief]

It's like Fight Club.
rule #1: You don't talk about gunses.
rule #2: Any questions, see #1...






back to my cave....

[lrb111]

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I saw quite a bit of that sort of thing when I ws employed at The telco. They even had a rule that "anything that offends" can be requested to be changed. Clothing, tattoos, words, etc.

i don't miss anything about the place. It is PC to the point that it is evident that the term "political correct" is a socialist ploy.

[jimlongley]

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I saw quite a bit of that sort of thing when I ws employed at The telco. They even had a rule that "anything that offends" can be requested to be changed. Clothing, tattoos, words, etc.

i don't miss anything about the place. It is PC to the point that it is evident that the term "political correct" is a socialist ploy.

Close enough, actually I am a retired telco person, and that was at Alcatel.

Now if only I could find a telco that's hiring.

[Right2Carry]

Did you mention in the United States you have the right to know your accuser? Did you ask if the person "with an obvious agenda to defame you" in the workplace has been investigated for lying?


edited for fat fingers

Shortly after 9/11 I got "called in" by my boss and an HR person to discuss a situation that was occurring at work. A call taker with a name very similar to "Usama bin Ladin" had filed a bunch of complaints against a variety of people alleging harassment, civil rights violations, and whatever else he could shotgun (my personal feeling is that he was a malingerer right from the start and was trying to avoid being fired for his performance problems, but that's a whole 'nother thing.)

Anyway, I was not directly accused or identified, I was just one of the same level and category of engineer as those he accused or so they said. The interview consisted of multiple questions about the HR part of the employee manual and whether I would participate in such nasty things as organized or ad hoc harassment of fellow employees based on their ethnic origin or anything else.

The HR 'broad', for the lack of a better 'B' word to call her, kept pounding at me, asking the same stuff over with different words, and I was getting pretty upset because they had told me there were no direct charges against me, so when she pointed out, once again, that doing this and that was a firing offense and a misdemeanor, I told her that I had a CHL and that being convicted of a misdemeanor would cost me that, and that I didn't consider him (the call taker) to be worth risking that loss for.

The HR person got this really shocked look on her face and started in on a diatribe about no guns being allowed, etc, etc, etc. I told her that I followed HR guidelines and didn't possess guns on the job, etc, etc, etc.

After the inquisition nothing further was said about it, but when layoffs came a couple of months later, I was on the chopping block and people junior to me stayed, and I think the fact that I had a CHL got me on the list. Never should have said anything.

BTW, two people who I know were involved in harassing that call taker were not laid off, although he was.

Also BTW, since I had been secretary of the company gun club it was pretty well understood that I had some involvement with guns, and there were several of us CHLs who were known to each other and others knew just because that's the way that kind of information gets out.

I take it that the TSA didn't have a union, otherwise they could not lay you off and keep junior people.

[lrb111]

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I saw quite a bit of that sort of thing when I ws employed at The telco. They even had a rule that "anything that offends" can be requested to be changed. Clothing, tattoos, words, etc.

i don't miss anything about the place. It is PC to the point that it is evident that the term "political correct" is a socialist ploy.

Close enough, actually I am a retired telco person, and that was at Alcatel.

Now if only I could find a telco that's hiring.

Someone has to be, with the reputed 3.1% unemployment around here. I count a dozen signs a day for folks hiring.
I don't know if they can help, but here's 'the local CWA office.

Communication Worker's of America Local 6127
3809 S. County Road 1285
Odessa, Texas 79765
432-563-3238

That's SBC /ATT and Cingular I think.

edit: light strikes

[DSARGE]

They should've given you a parking space up front and a cubicle with a good vantage point. IMO, if you are allowed to carry at work, the place just got a little safer for everyone.

[propellerhead]

I try not to mention having a license but it does come up in some conversations. I usually follow it up with a statement that I never carry on company property due to company policies. Some people didn't even know we had such a policy. By making that statement, it tells the casual observer (would be alarmist) that I am a rule follower and not a threat.

[Venus Pax]

After the VT shooting on Monday, some of my colleagues were talking about carrying weapons. Most know that shooting is a hobby of mine, but I won't say a word about carrying or where it's at at any given time.

One teacher admitted right there at the table: "If someone pulls this here, I'm heading to my truck. I keep my gun in there."

A few other people made comments that they were going to her class if this ever happened. I told her that I was glad she did this, but didn't go there myself. I noticed the other CHLer on campus didn't make any admissions either.

[nitrogen]

Another reason not to mention it:

It's somewhat of an open secret where I work that i'm the "gun guy"

One of my coworkers got into it with a driver that cut him off during lunch.
One of the other passangers says to him, "You never know if he has a gun, that was stupid!"
He replies, "I'm sure [nitrogen] has a gun, so i'm not worried."

The fun part being, we had just come from a "bar" (a place that falls under 51% at any rate) so I was NOT carrying.

I was never sure if he was kidding or not, but I wasn't going to clarify. It's another danger; that others might think you'll be there to "save their bacon".
If that situation in his car HAD gone down, i'd probably have opened my door and ran if possible.

[John]

Here's the upside of that: unless the written company policy exactly matches the 30.06 language, you're not legally barred from carrying or keeping a gun in your car. (I'm basing that on a strict reading of what ejector wrote: that he was required to read the policy, and then verbally confirm that he understood what he'd read.)

and most do not match 30.06 language. some places are using video training now and in the video they will mention that no firearms are alowed on company property. I think this would meet the verbal notification requirement. Anyone know if that would be the case?

[NcongruNt]

Here's the upside of that: unless the written company policy exactly matches the 30.06 language, you're not legally barred from carrying or keeping a gun in your car. (I'm basing that on a strict reading of what ejector wrote: that he was required to read the policy, and then verbally confirm that he understood what he'd read.)

and most do not match 30.06 language. some places are using video training now and in the video they will mention that no firearms are alowed on company property. I think this would meet the verbal notification requirement. Anyone know if that would be the case?

As video is a recorded medium, I would say that it does not meet the requirements. Video is simply a reproduction of a statement, just as writing is. That being said, I'm not sure how it would play out in a court; I'm not a lawyer and am guessing this probably hasn't been tested yet.

My situation is similar, in the fact that I was notified in a text conversation with my manager. Since this was an actual interactive conversation instead of a recording, I tend to think that it would meet the requirement of verbal notification. Then again, a court may not ultimately agree. Does verbal notification via telephone count? This seems to be a good parallel for my situation. Perhaps some of the more lawyerly types can chime in with their opinion.

[GP40X]

Unfortunately, most companies have the policy in place so they have no liability if a CHL holder has to stop someone. That way, the family of the deranged would be killer that was stopped by a CHL holder can not sue the company he worked for because the CHL holder viloated company policy by having the fire arm in the first place. Call your local state reps and senators and push HB 220 & SB739. That solves the problem for the companies and states that unless they have a "secured" meaning fenced in with limited access then the company can not enforce a no gun in the parking lot policy.

Bill (I need to set up my sig)

[Captain]

As for the whole work situation... I already know I can't carry at work... not only is it in the HR employee policy... but I work at a church. So the only way I can carry is to get permission... which I won't get. Funny thing though, I'm taking the CHL class with my boss. What a weird world.

As for the whole verbal issue... I've always found this one tricky, based on the definition of verbal. Verbal can mean "pertaining to words" (i.e.: a written statement would be considered verbal because it's made of words) or it can refer to only spoken word... Gotta love the English language!

[hi-power]

As for the whole work situation... I already know I can't carry at work... not only is it in the HR employee policy... but I work at a church. So the only way I can carry is to get permission... which I won't get. Funny thing though, I'm taking the CHL class with my boss. What a weird world.

Is your church posted with a 30.06 sign?

[Captain]

Well, no, but from what I've read of the Texas laws, you can't carry in a church unless given express permission... did I read something wrong?