On being disarmed?

[thatguy]

I have thought about the "disarming question" quite a bit and would say/ask

1. Why would a LEO want a loaded gun handled in the first place, if I was a LEO and want someone disarmed it would be because I was afraid of them and if that was the case why not call for back up and make this a felony stop...? otherwise leave loaded guns alone, just my opinion.

2. If I am asked to disarm (which has never happend) I would agree with Abraham and "mention" the Glock is chambered and follow the officers directions.

[ryouiki]

Why would a LEO want a loaded gun handled in the first place,

Beats me, I had not really thought about it until I read some of the posts in LEO Contacts & Bloopers section of the forum an ran across this:

http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=59655

Along with a number of posts where people describe being pulled over and the officer taking the gun to "check the serial #" etc. So was just curious about this procedure/safety issues involved with such an event. Obviously if you are committing some type of crime that warrants disarm, then you roll the dice (don't do stupid things, or be prepared for the consequences), but most of these stories seem to be fishing expeditions during traffic stops.

I personally haven't had an encounter with a LEO in an official capacity (traffic stop) in over 15 years (*knock on wood*)... but being prepared for such an occasion doesn't hurt... and I would prefer to keep the number of holes in my body restricted to what I was born with

[n5wd]

I kinda figure that asking the officer "Do you want to stick your hands down into my pants to get the gun?" would probably render his decision to disarm me moot.

[harrycallahan]

I would never hand anyone a loaded firearm, police included. I've never experienced a police stop and never been disarmed. However, I would unload the gun before handing it over.

[E.Marquez]

I would never hand anyone a loaded firearm, police included. I've never experienced a police stop and never been disarmed. However, I would unload the gun before handing it over.

If you are disarmed by a LEO for "safety" you will not be in control of the gun nor handing it over.

I think you may have a much different opinion as to how a LEO will effect the disarming of a CHL'er in a stop, then what most do......

My opinion is "I would unload the gun before handing it over" will get you shot,tazored or cuffed and stuffed. At the very least, your attempt to place your hands on the weapon after being told you will be disarmed will earn you a very direct order from the LEO to do no such thing.. It likely will hurt your feelings.... what you do next will determine if one of the other things mentioned above happen.

Im not a LEO of course, so perhaps my experiences in disarming a person cloud my opinion in how accepting a LEO would be who decided for his and others safety you needed to be disarmed, then without action or interference allowed you to draw, manipulate the weapon......

[Hawk99]

Well, no LEO is going to let you get near your firearm. They will ask where it is and then they will disarm you by reaching in and taking the firearm. I can't see anyone of them letting you put your hands anywhere but the steering wheel. Them reaching in brings up many other issues in my opinion.

Frank

[harrycallahan]

I would never hand anyone a loaded firearm, police included. I've never experienced a police stop and never been disarmed. However, I would unload the gun before handing it over.

If you are disarmed by a LEO for "safety" you will not be in control of the gun nor handing it over.

I think you may have a much different opinion as to how a LEO will effect the disarming of a CHL'er in a stop, then what most do......

My opinion is "I would unload the gun before handing it over" will get you shot,tazored or cuffed and stuffed. At the very least, your attempt to place your hands on the weapon after being told you will be disarmed will earn you a very direct order from the LEO to do no such thing.. It likely will hurt your feelings.... what you do next will determine if one of the other things mentioned above happen.

Im not a LEO of course, so perhaps my experiences in disarming a person cloud my opinion in how accepting a LEO would be who decided for his and others safety you needed to be disarmed, then without action or interference allowed you to draw, manipulate the weapon......

You must have had some very interesting run-ins with the police. I haven't had any since I quit the dept. 15 years ago and I haven't had any before that since I was a teenager. What I had in my mind as a possible traffic stop was clearly different than what you had in mind. I suspect that if an officer were to do as you have described that he'd find himself either 1.) charged with a crime or 2.) fired or both. I think, I sure hope that police officers aren't the crazies you've described.

[E.Marquez]

I would never hand anyone a loaded firearm, police included. I've never experienced a police stop and never been disarmed. However, I would unload the gun before handing it over.

If you are disarmed by a LEO for "safety" you will not be in control of the gun nor handing it over.

I think you may have a much different opinion as to how a LEO will effect the disarming of a CHL'er in a stop, then what most do......

My opinion is "I would unload the gun before handing it over" will get you shot,tazored or cuffed and stuffed. At the very least, your attempt to place your hands on the weapon after being told you will be disarmed will earn you a very direct order from the LEO to do no such thing.. It likely will hurt your feelings.... what you do next will determine if one of the other things mentioned above happen.

Im not a LEO of course, so perhaps my experiences in disarming a person cloud my opinion in how accepting a LEO would be who decided for his and others safety you needed to be disarmed, then without action or interference allowed you to draw, manipulate the weapon......

You must have had some very interesting run-ins with the police. I haven't had any since I quit the dept. 15 years ago and I haven't had any before that since I was a teenager. What I had in my mind as a possible traffic stop was clearly different than what you had in mind. I suspect that if an officer were to do as you have described that he'd find himself either 1.) charged with a crime or 2.) fired or both. I think, I sure hope that police officers aren't the crazies you've described.

Crazy? '
An officer tells a violator that has been detained he will be disarmed, and the detainee reaches for the gun.. muttering something about unloading it.. and you think it would be crazy for the officer to tell the detainee to STOP, DO NOT PUT YOUR HAND ON THE WEAPON??.. And when the detainee continued to move to the gun the officers more aggressive response would not be justified? You call that crazy? Interesting



And for the record, I have had NO , NONE, ZERO bad encounters with law enforcement, EVER.. And only two contacts in the last 20 years,, both for a minor non moving traffic violations.


best of luck to you if/when you get stopped/ if / when you get disarmed... and you TELL the officer you will be removing, unloading your handgun before you allow him to have it.

Please post the YouTube vid for our entertainment

[harrycallahan]

I would never hand anyone a loaded firearm, police included. I've never experienced a police stop and never been disarmed. However, I would unload the gun before handing it over.

If you are disarmed by a LEO for "safety" you will not be in control of the gun nor handing it over.

I think you may have a much different opinion as to how a LEO will effect the disarming of a CHL'er in a stop, then what most do......

My opinion is "I would unload the gun before handing it over" will get you shot,tazored or cuffed and stuffed. At the very least, your attempt to place your hands on the weapon after being told you will be disarmed will earn you a very direct order from the LEO to do no such thing.. It likely will hurt your feelings.... what you do next will determine if one of the other things mentioned above happen.

Im not a LEO of course, so perhaps my experiences in disarming a person cloud my opinion in how accepting a LEO would be who decided for his and others safety you needed to be disarmed, then without action or interference allowed you to draw, manipulate the weapon......

You must have had some very interesting run-ins with the police. I haven't had any since I quit the dept. 15 years ago and I haven't had any before that since I was a teenager. What I had in my mind as a possible traffic stop was clearly different than what you had in mind. I suspect that if an officer were to do as you have described that he'd find himself either 1.) charged with a crime or 2.) fired or both. I think, I sure hope that police officers aren't the crazies you've described.

Crazy? '
An officer tells a violator that has been detained he will be disarmed, and the detainee reaches for the gun.. muttering something about unloading it.. and you think it would be crazy for the officer to tell the detainee to STOP, DO NOT PUT YOUR HAND ON THE WEAPON??.. And when the detainee continued to move to the gun the officers more aggressive response would not be justified? You call that crazy? Interesting



And for the record, I have had NO , NONE, ZERO bad encounters with law enforcement, EVER.. And only two contacts in the last 20 years,, both for a minor non moving traffic violations.


best of luck to you if/when you get stopped/ if / when you get disarmed... and you TELL the officer you will be removing, unloading your handgun before you allow him to have it.

Please post the YouTube vid for our entertainment

I do apologize for angering you, if I did. Reading your post, I know I did something, but what is the question. In after thought, I did speak over a subject that I have no experience with and I shouldn't have.

[bauer]

I never really thought much about the process of disarming until the day I was stopped in Texarkana (Texas side) for a moving violation. My wife and I were returning from a labor day trip to Memphis, TN. Anyways, the LEO pulls me over approaches the window ask for ID. I hand over my DL and CHL with the CHL on top. He walked back to his patrol car and returned with a ticket handed me my CHL and DL and that was it. He didn't ask a single question regarding the CHL and I didn't offer anything. Had he wanted to disarm I would have informed him of the location of the weapon, center console sucks driving 8 hours with a 1911 at 5 o'clock, and that a round was chambered with the hammer back and safety on. From there it is all his call as to how the process of disarming works.

[atxtj]

I was disarmed during a stop (my first while carrying), due, I think, to both my nervousness and the fact that he was an FTO training a brand new deputy. He simply asked where it was, I told him holstered on my hip. I stepped out and he removed the pistol and placed it on the drivers seat, (he did not check or clear it). I got a warning for no front plate, and told to reholster when I got back in the car. No big deal, although I still believe I was disarmed unnecessarily. I've been stopped a few times since and mostly ended up talking about guns instead of getting a ticket.

[texanjoker]

I would never hand anyone a loaded firearm, police included. I've never experienced a police stop and never been disarmed. However, I would unload the gun before handing it over.

If you are disarmed by a LEO for "safety" you will not be in control of the gun nor handing it over.

I think you may have a much different opinion as to how a LEO will effect the disarming of a CHL'er in a stop, then what most do......

My opinion is "I would unload the gun before handing it over" will get you shot,tazored or cuffed and stuffed. At the very least, your attempt to place your hands on the weapon after being told you will be disarmed will earn you a very direct order from the LEO to do no such thing.. It likely will hurt your feelings.... what you do next will determine if one of the other things mentioned above happen.

Im not a LEO of course, so perhaps my experiences in disarming a person cloud my opinion in how accepting a LEO would be who decided for his and others safety you needed to be disarmed, then without action or interference allowed you to draw, manipulate the weapon......

You must have had some very interesting run-ins with the police. I haven't had any since I quit the dept. 15 years ago and I haven't had any before that since I was a teenager. What I had in my mind as a possible traffic stop was clearly different than what you had in mind. I suspect that if an officer were to do as you have described that he'd find himself either 1.) charged with a crime or 2.) fired or both. I think, I sure hope that police officers aren't the crazies you've described.

Crazy? '
An officer tells a violator that has been detained he will be disarmed, and the detainee reaches for the gun.. muttering something about unloading it.. and you think it would be crazy for the officer to tell the detainee to STOP, DO NOT PUT YOUR HAND ON THE WEAPON??.. And when the detainee continued to move to the gun the officers more aggressive response would not be justified? You call that crazy? Interesting



And for the record, I have had NO , NONE, ZERO bad encounters with law enforcement, EVER.. And only two contacts in the last 20 years,, both for a minor non moving traffic violations.


best of luck to you if/when you get stopped/ if / when you get disarmed... and you TELL the officer you will be removing, unloading your handgun before you allow him to have it.

Please post the YouTube vid for our entertainment

Gotta say, I would not be pleased if I was going to disarm somebody, and they then pulled out the gun to do whatever with it, w/o my telling them to do so. I have never disarmed a CHL in 2 states. I have disarmed lots of felons. Some at gun point, some during a pat down. Always with safety in mind.

I got disarmed once, early 90's, different state. I also had a police badge with me. The big city cop apparently was concerned that my ID was in my fanny pack that held my glock. I handed him the fanny pack. He took out the id, then handed me the fanny pack back. He then lectured me for 10 minutes because I didn't id myself when he contacted me. Being that I had been on a private drive and had not committed any violations, I didn't tell him I was a LEO. I haven't been stopped in a good 10 plus years, but if I do, I tell them I am armed because officer X lectured me to do so.

[azwe]

Either you guys were taught CHL carrying by morons or you are asking to get killed by a police officer. You DO NOT tell the officer what to do or what you're going to do. Any answer other than "my gun is located at X, it is loaded/unloaded with the safety on/off, how do you want to proceed?" with your hands interlocked in front of you is inappropriate. Slow movements are also required. This whole "I will disarm myself and unload before he shows up to my window" thought process is unbelievable. Just unbelievable. You really need to take the CHL class again with a better instructor.

[infidex]

My instructor (ex police officer in Dallas area of 30+ years) told our class that when pulled over, never roll the window down more than 2 inches. Everything you need to hand the officer can fit through the 2 inch slot, license, gun, etc.... If the gun isn't on your body and they ask you to hand it to them, he says he tells the officer that he would prefer for the officer to remove the gun from wherever he has it, and if the officer just asks for him to hand it over, he then will.

My opinion is do what your comfortable doing, just keep you hands on the steering wheel until your instructed to do otherwise. I do like his advice about the 2 inch roll down if your in the middle of nowhere, or if your not sure it's a real cop, but my natural instinct is to always have the window rolled down and my hands on the wheel while I wait for him/her to approach my car.

[ChillMickelson]

For what it's worth... If you EVER get pulled over at night, turn ON all interior lights.