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Re: Proper etiquette

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Liko81 wrote:registration (for in-state vehicles it's just the sticker, however it's a good idea to keep the rest of the sheet that had the sticker on it handy)
Yeppers. Some states require you carry an official document of registration. Texas does not require that unless the vehicle is commercial.

When you travel interstate, some officers may not realize this. It ain't a bad idea to carry a photocopy of the sheet the sticker came on, as Liko81 says. However, I don't recommend you ever store any of your important papers--insurance, license, registration--in the vehicle. Keep 'em in your wallet.

Leaving identifying papers in the car or truck just makes it that much easier for a thief to get away with it. More importantly, these papers show who you are and where you live. Yeah; I know online resources lie publicdata.com can help track you down, but unless you have a stalker most common criminals are opportunistic vultures and will take what's given to them; not work for it.
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WildBill wrote:
TDDude wrote:When you hand over your plastic, make sure the CHL is on top and say "I have my pistol with me". I believe we are required to let them know when we are armed so saying it that way seems to be as non-threatening as I can be.
I disagree. I believe that you should wait until the LEO asks if you are armed.
Say nothing. Let the officer ask.

Even if you say, "I have my pistol with me", that isn't too far from "I have a gun" when the officer hears it.

For the folks mentioning insurance, you must know that a large problem in Texas are folks who make a down payment on insurance to get the 6 month certificate and then never make another payment. Effectively, they have insurance for one month out of six.
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Mike1951 wrote: For the folks mentioning insurance, you must know that a large problem in Texas are folks who make a down payment on insurance to get the 6 month certificate and then never make another payment. Effectively, they have insurance for one month out of six.
That will soon be much less of a problem. Here are some samples of a long FAQ from http://www.TexasSure.com about a new auto liability insurance verification program.


What is TexasSure?

TexasSure is a new vehicle insurance verification system that will ultimately allow law enforcement, county tax officials and vehicle inspectors to confirm whether a vehicle in Texas has required personal auto liability insurance coverage.

What is TexasSure supposed to do?

TexasSure will help reduce the number of uninsured vehicles in Texas. It is expected to help stop the actions some motorists take to avoid the law, such as using counterfeit proof of insurance cards or obtaining insurance to get a card and then promptly canceling the policy once they’ve renewed their car registration or had their vehicle inspected.

When will TexasSure begin operations?

The system is currently being tested at the Department of Public Safety (DPS) and the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT). Before DPS rolls it out statewide, its troopers will conduct a two-month pilot program in Austin. Since program testing is in progress, the exact date of the roll out will depend on the outcome of this testing, however, we anticipate statewide implementation this summer.

What information is included in the database? Do I have access to the database to make sure my information is included and correct?

The TexasSure database includes vehicle registration information – such as vehicle identification number (VIN), owner name and address, and make, model and year – and insurance policy information – such as address, insured drivers, insurance company name and policy effective dates. Only authorized users have access to the database. You can contact your insurance agent or insurance company to determine whether the information they have on you is accurate and correct.

Who are authorized users?

At this time, access is limited to law enforcement and vehicle registration offices as these entities are vital in helping reduce the number of uninsured vehicles.

How does TexasSure obtain my insurance information?

Every week, insurers provide their policyholders’ auto insurance information to TexasSure, where it is matched to state driver license and motor vehicle records.

How often will TexasSure update my insurance information?

TexasSure receives weekly updates from insurance companies. A suitable grace period allows for data discrepancies due to vehicle sales, changes in policies, and other normal situations.

How often and when will my information be verified through TexasSure?

The electronic TexasSure system will automatically check whether your vehicle is properly insured each time you register or renew your vehicle registration or have an inquiry by law enforcement. The system also will do periodic checks of the database to make sure vehicle owners have not dropped their insurance coverage.

Do I have to have vehicle insurance?

Yes. Texas law requires every driver to carry minimum liability insurance coverage. Proof of insurance is required for annual vehicle inspections, vehicle registrations, and some driver license transactions.

Do I still have to carry a proof of insurance card?

Yes. While the program will provide accurate and timely electronic verification of insurance, you are still required by law to carry proof of insurance.

What are the minimum limits for auto liability insurance?

As of April 1, 2008, Texas law, under Transportation Code §601.072, requires minimum coverage of $25,000 per injured person, up to a total of $50,000 for everyone injured in an accident, and $25,000 for property damage. This basic coverage is called 25/50/25 coverage. These limits will increase to 30/60/25 on January 1, 2011.

What will happen if I cancel my insurance, or it expires after renewing my registration?

The TexasSure program will continually monitor whether vehicle owners have valid insurance coverage. In the near future, notification letters will be sent to vehicle owners who allow their coverage to lapse.

What happens if I don’t have minimum insurance coverage?


Texas law provides severe penalties for driving without insurance. The first conviction may result in a fine up to $350 plus court costs and possible additional fees, as authorized by Transportation Code Chapter 708. Subsequent convictions can result in fines of $350 to $1,000 and suspension of your driver license.

The insurance policy in my name also covers a car titled in my spouse’s name. Will TexasSure verify my spouse's vehicle's insurance?

Yes, if your spouse is also listed on the policy. However, be sure to bring your proof of insurance card as it may be needed to verify the insurance if you and your spouse have different names and/or addresses.

Will all police officers use the TexasSure system or just Department of Public Safety troopers?

Eventually the system will be made available to all officers statewide.

If I get pulled over, will TexasSure tell the officer whether I have insurance?

In most cases, yes.

What if I don't have my proof of insurance card, and TexasSure verifies my coverage, will I get a ticket?

Each law enforcement agency will set its own policies; however, the law states that you must show proof of insurance. So it’s best to keep that card available at all times.

What happens if I'm pulled over and I don't have my proof of insurance card and TexasSure doesn't verify my coverage?


Your chances of getting a ticket go up dramatically. However, each law enforcement agency will develop its own policies.

Where can I find more information about TexasSure?

You can find more information at http://www.TexasSure.com or contact the Texas Department of Insurance at TexasFRVP@tdi.state.tx.us.
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Texian wrote:That will soon be much less of a problem. Here are some samples of a long FAQ from http://www.TexasSure.com about a new auto liability insurance verification program.
This is very good news. Thanks for posting it.

I'm a bit of a news junky and can't remember hearing about this...at least not in recent months. I'd think getting the word out would go a long way to motivate the 20% of motorists who drive uninsured to start finding a way to get and keep state-minimum insurance.
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That's good news? The state is paying millions of our tax dollars to implemenet a huge database with your personal information in it that you have no right to see what information they have about you, and based on this information they keep you may be ticketed because of a mistake that you are not allowed to check or correct. I find this disturbing that the government thinks they can keep files on us that we cannot see or contest the contents of. Worse yet, I believe it's a private company creating and maintaining this database which I fear will mean that there will be little oversight for privacy/security of the personal data.

Get uninsured motorist coverage. If you think the irresponsible people who don't carry liability insurance now are going to start because of this you are fooling yourself.

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txmatt wrote:That's good news? The state is paying millions of our tax dollars to implemenet a huge database with your personal information in it that you have no right to see what information they have about you, and based on this information they keep you may be ticketed because of a mistake that you are not allowed to check or correct.
That's my take as well.

Not to mention, there are people with seasonal vehicles who routinely let the insurance lap during the months they don't drive them. Or, they have multiple vehicles and don't keep them all insured while they spend months working on them in the garage.

I see this being a headache for people in those categories, and completely ineffective at stopping those who drive without insurance.
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KBCraig wrote:
txmatt wrote:That's good news? The state is paying millions of our tax dollars to implemenet a huge database with your personal information in it that you have no right to see what information they have about you, and based on this information they keep you may be ticketed because of a mistake that you are not allowed to check or correct.
That's my take as well.

Not to mention, there are people with seasonal vehicles who routinely let the insurance lap during the months they don't drive them. Or, they have multiple vehicles and don't keep them all insured while they spend months working on them in the garage.

I see this being a headache for people in those categories, and completely ineffective at stopping those who drive without insurance.
Make that three of us. It amazes me at how easy it is for the Government to rob us of our privacy in the name of helping all.

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txmatt wrote:That's good news? The state is paying millions of our tax dollars to implemenet a huge database with your personal information in it that you have no right to see what information they have about you, and based on this information they keep you may be ticketed because of a mistake that you are not allowed to check or correct. I find this disturbing that the government thinks they can keep files on us that we cannot see or contest the contents of. Worse yet, I believe it's a private company creating and maintaining this database which I fear will mean that there will be little oversight for privacy/security of the personal data.

Get uninsured motorist coverage. If you think the irresponsible people who don't carry liability insurance now are going to start because of this you are fooling yourself.
KBCraig wrote:
txmatt wrote:That's good news? The state is paying millions of our
tax dollars to implemenet a huge database with your personal
information in it that you have no right to see what information they
have about you, and based on this information they keep you may be
ticketed because of a mistake that you are not allowed to check or
correct.
That's my take as well.

Not to mention,
there are people with seasonal vehicles who routinely let the insurance
lap during the months they don't drive them. Or, they have multiple
vehicles and don't keep them all insured while they spend months
working on them in the garage.

I see this being a headache for
people in those categories, and completely ineffective at stopping
those who drive without insurance.
03Lightningrocks wrote:
KBCraig wrote:
txmatt wrote:That's good news? The state is paying
millions of our tax dollars to implemenet a huge database with your
personal information in it that you have no right to see what
information they have about you, and based on this information they
keep you may be ticketed because of a mistake that you are not allowed
to check or correct.
That's my take as well.

Not to
mention, there are people with seasonal vehicles who routinely let the
insurance lap during the months they don't drive them. Or, they have
multiple vehicles and don't keep them all insured while they spend
months working on them in the garage.

I see this being a
headache for people in those categories, and completely ineffective at
stopping those who drive without insurance.
Make that three of us. It amazes me at how easy it is for the Government to rob us of our privacy in the name of helping all.
I would like to make three observations about the last three posts (quoted above):

First, Judging by what I have read, I don't believe you folks have carefully read all of the info on the link provided. If you do you will see that the State of Texas already has all of the information in the database except current data from your insurance company about your "liability" coverage (that will be updated frequently). The FAQs also indicate that a high level of security has been built into the system.

Second, the link also explains that this does not replace carrying your proof-of-insurance card from your insurance company. Nothing in the link indicates that your not being in the system would result in a citation; (provided you have a proof-of-insurance card) only that an inquiry to your insurance carrier would be needed so that current updated information would be in the system in the future after verification of your coverage was confirmed.

Third, It appears to me that the real objection is not as much to this program as it is to the Texas Safety Responsibility Act itself. I never commented about my personal thoughts on that and am not doing so now.
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Texian wrote: I would like to make three observations about the last three posts (quoted above):

First, Judging by what I have read, I don't believe you folks have carefully read all of the info on the link provided. If you do you will see that the State of Texas already has all of the information in the database except current data from your insurance company about your "liability" coverage (that will be updated frequently). The FAQs also indicate that a high level of security has been built into the system.

Second, the link also explains that this does not replace carrying your proof-of-insurance card from your insurance company. Nothing in the link indicates that your not being in the system would result in a citation; (provided you have a proof-of-insurance card) only that an inquiry to your insurance carrier would be needed so that current updated information would be in the system in the future after verification of your coverage was confirmed.

Third, It appears to me that the real objection is not as much to this program as it is to the Texas Safety Responsibility Act itself. I never commented about my personal thoughts on that and am not doing so now.
In answer to your points:

1. You need to read something other than the state propaganda about the database. I suggest you start here: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... aebee.html

The state is paying 7 million dollars (that is, we are paying 7 million dollars) for a private company to create this huge database with our personal information in it that we have no right to see and that will be used to ticket or even arrest us (see point #2).

2. Why exactly do you think they are making this database if an insurance card is sufficient proof of insurance? Yes, you are still required to carry your card, but now they will ticket you if this privately-maintained database has a mistake in it- or simply hasn't been updated yet. So even if you have insurance and have a valid card they will still ticket you if their database says otherwise. And furthermore, if you are to fail to carry your insurance card, even though they can now verify the fact that you have current insurance you can still be ticketed for not having your card!

3. No, I think there are good objections to a large, expensive, privately-maintained database of our personal information.

Cracking down on people without insurance is all fine and well, and I would like to see it done (not this way) but in realilty it isn't going to change anything. There will always be people out there without insurance and as such I am going to have to keep uninsured motorist coverage on my policy. So now I have to pay twice for these jerks, once in my insurance and again in taxes for this program. Oh and keep in mind that the reported 7 million dollars is a small fraction of what this is going to end up costing in upkeep, fixing the many problems it is bound to have and in enforcement.

Also, I may be a little touchy on this subject because of an experience I had with a similiar private check verification company that some businesses use to try to recognize people who write hot checks. They had completely false information on me, and it was up to me, at my expense to beg this company to fix it, which I eventually gave up on, because I really don't like paying for others' mistakes. This TexasSure is worse, however, since we are paying for this wonderful service and it is specifically being set up so that we can't check the information that they have on us. The fact that it is being done by a private company irks me because of the cost and the fact that using a contractor allows the state to effectively keep information on us that we have to access to which I think would be more difficult for them to accomplish if it were state-run.
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I might add that right now it is an offense to drive without insurance, punishable by a $500 fine and six months in jail. If the vehicle is involved in a collision, the driver's license can be suspended. The lack of financial responsiblility can be established after the fact with no database.

I don't know how often this offense is prosecuted, but I know that it often is not prosecuted. Several people have told me about fender-benders where the other driver simply drove away, and the police did not persue the matter further.

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seamusTX wrote:I might add that right now it is an offense to drive without insurance, punishable by a $500 fine and six months in jail. If the vehicle is involved in a collision, the driver's license can be suspended. The lack of financial responsiblility can be established after the fact with no database.

I don't know how often this offense is prosecuted, but I know that it often is not prosecuted. Several people have told me about fender-benders where the other driver simply drove away, and the police did not persue the matter further.

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03Lightningrocks wrote:I had told him where it was and he still didn't seem comfortable with my reaching in the glove box. Now I keep my insurance card and registration papers in a clip on the sun visor.
Excellent idea. Just took a break from the computer to move Mars' insurance card to the plastic holder in his visor. (Yes, I informed him.) I couldn't do it with my car b/c it doesn't have a place there.
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In exchange for this new computer system, the insurance companies will stop charging for "uninsured motorist" coverage?
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boomerang wrote:In exchange for this new computer system, the insurance companies will stop charging for "uninsured motorist" coverage?
Good point. :iagree:
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TDDude wrote:
Texian wrote:
03Lightningrocks wrote:
"My pistol is bigger than yours".


"rlol"

i have never said that but i have asked about what they carry and how they like it
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