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Interested in Mil-Spec load Data

Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:33 pm
by romeofox
Years ago (before the Black Hills thing) I rescued a lot of 5.56 & .30 Military components that came with the corresponding Mil-Spec load Data (powder and charge). My well worn ('95) Speer 12th Edition shows max loads at about .985 of the Mil-Spec.
I am interested in finding similar data for .45 and see how my 230 hardballs compare to war shots.
Has anyone found a good resource?

Re: Interested in Mil-Spec load Data

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:58 pm
by T.O.M.
That can be hard to do as i understand the powder is not standard canister as we buy off the shelf the manufacture blends one lot of powder with the last lot to help maintain consistency for civilian use, the military loads are not by weight but by pressure and velocity the powder is not blended i do know the 55gr FMJ 5.56 powder is WCC844 the same as H335, 30-06 is IMR 4895i hope this helps you

Re: Interested in Mil-Spec load Data

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:12 pm
by DocV
Look for TM 43-0001-27
Remember you must develop your own loads from any published data.

Re: Interested in Mil-Spec load Data

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:55 pm
by K-Texas
As far as wound ballistics, the military has kept records on such things. I have mentioned Quantitative Ammunition Selection by Charles Schwartz. When you get into the scientific evaluations of such things the various studies are referenced. One organization that might be able to help is the IWBA.

I run a spreadsheet program developed by Charles Schwartz that calculates many different factors including, formerly, AIT, or Average Incapacitation Time. The formula was developed in conjunction with the reported results from the Strasborg Goat Tests, that remain controversial. But Charles has written a new formula where a prediction is made for Expected Incapacitation Time and based on Newton's laws. I should have the new program soon.

As far as the .45 ACP military load itself. As T.O.M. pointed out, commercial ammo-makers do get powders that are blended for a specific use. I would not, however, rule out the possibility that Winchester's Military load is charged with W231. Target velocity would be 850 FPS for a 230 gr. FMJ and that's not terribly difficult to accomplish from a 5" 1911. Winchester has developed the "next generation" powder that came out just a few years back in W244. There are several different powders that do essentially the same thing, so matching the velocity of the 230 gr. FMJ load is not really restricted to any one particular powder. AA No 2 and Ramshot ZIP are also suitable choices. ;-)

Re: Interested in Mil-Spec load Data

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:51 pm
by romeofox
Thank you and much appreciated!
I’ll have a look and try to learn something.

Re: Interested in Mil-Spec load Data

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:43 pm
by romeofox
DocV Thanks exactly what I was looking for