Cop who refused to pull gun to take down BG with Blade.

[Wildscar]

I know this will only be my second post but I just got an e-mail that I think falls into this categories. Question about graphic pics. I know we had the 10 year old daughter rule to dissuade from vulgar and lewdness but what if the pics could help make the split second you have to make a decision easier. The pics contain the results of an LEO that thought he was better than the BG with the blade. The LEO lived but is going to have some really bad scars to go with his ordeal. So do I just leave they pics to yalls imagination and tell you not to hesitate if you think your life is in danger from a man with blade? I will paste the e-mail without the pictures to give you an idea of what the pics contain. Granted I think pepper spray or stun gun should have been use first but even if the BR is doped up those some times dont work and only piss him off more.

------------------------this is the e-mail---------------------------------
Title:FW: WHY COPS SHOOT GUYS WITH KNIVES - and WHY YOU SHOULD ALSO...!!!WARNING-GRAPHIC

The photos are of an officer trained in hand-to-hand combat.

The officer figured, due to his size and fighting skills, he could disarm a knife wielding aggressor.

Here is why I am forwarding these on.

To all the idiots out there who always say, "Why did the cops have to shoot him? He only had a (insert your choice of weapons here, i.e. knife, bat, club. whatever). He didn't have to be shot.

To that, I respond, "tough crap ... shoot'em".

If an officer tells you to drop your weapon, just drop it.

If you're a retard, stupid, on crack, mental or just "scared" ... too bad. No one deserves what this cop got for just doing his job. If you got a knife, then you should die ... period.

This is vivid proof of how deadly people who are "only armed with a knife" can be. Some of the public think that officers should try to disarm someone armed with a knife but anyone who has had training in knife fighting will tell you - even if you win you are going to get cut.

Keep this in the back of your mind when confronting someone armed with an edged weapon.
~~pic descriptions~~~
1: Back view with three lacerations.

2: Side view with one laceration.

3: Chest view with one laceration practically to the rib cage

[txinvestigator]

there is actually some doubt as to the authenticity of the pictures as they relate to the alleged facts in the email.

[nitrogen]

If this ever comes up, point the questioner to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

[longtooth]

Wildscar,
From your description I am sure that I have the pictures you are referring to. Regardless of the facts being verified the cuts are evident.
If any one wants them feel free to send them PM. You are right about the grafic nature of the pics & we have edited some war pics that should not have been posted on the open board.
I would rather face a gun at 3 ft than a knife. Especially in the hands of one who knows how to use the knife.
They are not second class weapons.

[JLaw]

I would rather face a gun at 3 ft than a knife. Especially in the hands of one who knows how to use the knife.

I'll second that.

JLaw

[flintknapper]

Wildscar,
From your description I am sure that I have the pictures you are referring to. Regardless of the facts being verified the cuts are evident.
If any one wants them feel free to send them PM. You are right about the grafic nature of the pics & we have edited some war pics that should not have been posted on the open board.
I would rather face a gun at 3 ft than a knife. Especially in the hands of one who knows how to use the knife.
They are not second class weapons.

Same photos I shared with you about a year ago. (not suitable for general viewing), I'm sure you agree.

+1 on facing gun over knife (in hands of someone trained and dedicated).

[longtooth]

Yes sir. Photos unacceptable for the public board.
The dedicated is all that is needed against someone like me. Old, slow, half cripple. You bet I will face a gun over a knife at contact distance every time.

[Wildscar]

there is actually some doubt as to the authenticity of the pictures as they relate to the alleged facts in the email.

Ill concede that they might not be real but they are real enough to show what can happen when a sharp object come in contact with flesh.

Ill not place the link here. If yall would like to see them just send me a PM and Ill be glad to share them.

[jbirds1210]

Thank you for not posting the link.

I have seen the results of knife to flesh many times and have developed a true respect for edged weapons. Describing the knife as a devastating weapon is an understatement when in the hands of a determined person.

I truely believe it is worth anyone's time to seek out a bit of knife training....it is a great chance to find out exactly how much one does NOT know.

[ChrisStevens]

I've seen those photos too. That's scary stuff alright.

I see a lot of people making a point "I would rather face a gun wielder than a knife wielder".

I think the real point is, "If you are facing a guy with a knife and you could have only one, would you rather have a gun you were trained and familiar with or a knife you were trained and familiar with?"

Any comments on that one?

[yerasimos]

I think the real point is, "If you are facing a guy with a knife and you could have only one, would you rather have a gun you were trained and familiar with or a knife you were trained and familiar with?"

Any comments on that one?

Short answer? Whatever tool I can get into action the fastest, while I am running away as fast as I can.

Even though there are many folks who carry both handguns and blades, when faced with an adversary with a blade, they will likely only have time to access one tool (gun or blade), if any.

The following commentary may be unsolicited, but in my view the two tools (guns and blades) seem to offer different relative probabilities for damage:

Blades: potentially faster/greater bleed-out, insignificant potential for immediate physiological stop

Handguns (more specifically, handgun slugs): some blood loss/bleed-out; greater potential for immediate physiological stop

Here, my definition of physiological stop is a disruption of the central nervous system which causes instant paralysis from the waist down or death. Well-placed bullets with sufficient penetration (sound familiar?) can accomplish this. Generally, blades which are legal for carry cannot accomplish this as the handgun slugs can (the spinal column is in the back).

I know the subject is not exactingly this-or-that, but maybe this makes sense or can be expanded upon.

[glocklvr]

When facing a knife my first choice would be my gun for several reasons 1 I am most familiar with it's use and have the most practice, 2 the sight of a gun in most cases will stop an attack without a shot ever being fired, and 3 in any confrontation my first priority is going to be get some distance and preferably a barrier between me and the other guy which would give me an advantage over anybody with a knife.

[JohnTheHead]

Having some training in knife fighting myself, I would vehemently say that one should not bring a knife to a gunfight. Further, if the fight is with me, it's a gunfight.

"Defending" yourself against an attacker using a blade with empty handed techniques, or even with a knife, is probably going to get you hurt, possibly killed.

Pepper spray, while generally effective, is not a great option. They may go down, they may not. If I am about to attack you with a knife, and you pepper spray me, you will be cut. Severely.

Tasers are not a bad choice if you have the time and distance.

You should still, when using less-lethal force options, always be prepared for immediate progression to deadly force.

Given the choice betwee a gun and a knife, both of which I am trained and familiar with, I will certainly always pick a gun. I can get that gun into action faster than I can the knife, at any rate.

Stay Motivated
-Head

[amcit]

Anyone who doesn't think a blade is threat sufficiently serious to justify using a handgun might reconsider after watching material like the old training video "Surviving Edged Weapons" or any of the excellent Shivworks materials.

[para driver]

are these the prison inmate pics, where they guy got slashed across the chest, ribs and back???