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Think twice before you buy a Springfield Armory or a Rock River Arms. They withdrew opposition to an Illinois gun control bill in exchange for an exemption to the law. After they withdrew their opposition the bill passed the state Senate by one vote.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/ ... carve-out/

Well, thats a shame. The XDE looked interesting.

I have never understood why so many manufacturers continue to keep their manufacturing, sales, and distribution in States that continually restrict rights. Magpul moved out of Colorado, and only after they got a huge government contract, did Colorado realize their stupidity.
If these manufacturers really cared about the 2A, they would all move to places like Texas, where they could make anything they wanted, and refuse to make State compliant firearms for States that restrict rights.
We are the voice that can send a message, and refuse to purchase guns from companies who cave to States who want to wrest control, but still allow manufacturers to sell whatever they want to places who respect our rights. Their profits are directly reliant upon us.
JMHO

Remington is slowly pulling out of New York. A while ago they opened a plant in Tennessee or Alabama. I can't remember which one. All new production is there now. I think Ruger may still have their headquarters in CT but they now make their guns in New Hampshire and Arizona.

Jusme wrote:If these manufacturers really cared about the 2A, they would all move to places like Texas, where they could make anything they wanted, and refuse to make State compliant firearms for States that restrict rights.

They're better off moving to a state where the Mossy Shockwave is legal and people who jump through circus hoops to get a license can carry in an amusement park, etc.

JMHO

ninjabread wrote:

Jusme wrote:If these manufacturers really cared about the 2A, they would all move to places like Texas, where they could make anything they wanted, and refuse to make State compliant firearms for States that restrict rights.

They're better off moving to a state where the Mossy Shockwave is legal and people who jump through circus hoops to get a license can carry in an amusement park, etc.

JMHO

At this point, that looks like Arizona. I'm always envious of them and their simple gun laws.

Shame on Springfield and RRA. Until they shape up, they are on my no-buy list. Fortunately for me that's an easy one as I have no interest in either of the companies' current offerings. I wonder if they realize they'll end up getting the short end of the stick regardless. On the bright side for the Chicago hoodlums, this new law won't affect their "business's" bottom line whatsoever

Sure looks like the new SA XDe is going to be DOA as a result. Used to own a nice RRA AR, but no more. I'll never buy from either of these companies again. They're both getting eviscerated on Facebook and other social media sites.

ninjabread wrote:

Jusme wrote:If these manufacturers really cared about the 2A, they would all move to places like Texas, where they could make anything they wanted, and refuse to make State compliant firearms for States that restrict rights.

They're better off moving to a state where the Mossy Shockwave is legal and people who jump through circus hoops to get a license can carry in an amusement park, etc.

JMHO

Maybe my view is somewhat skewed by the fact that I have lived here for the last 56 years( all my life), but, while the rest of the nation still views Texas as the wild west, and the pioneer in gun rights, I know that for the majority of my life, Texas was trapped in the Democratic headlock of gun restrictions for years. We have only had the freedom to carry handguns for a little over 20 years. That was only contingent upon obtaining a license, and agreeing to only carry, where those who make the rules said it was ok.
We have made great strides in the last 20 years, but we still have a long way to go.
The fact that a manufacturer, has somehow made a firearm, that the BATFE, has approved for sale, without Federal government stamping, that the State of Texas hasn't approved yet, does not automatically mean we are back in the most restrictive time in our history.
We are now living in what I call the golden age of gun rights in this State. There are so many people who moved here from other states, most of them more restrictive than Texas, who are so impatient, or so militant, that they feel they can denigrate the progress we have made, and demand instant changes, without understanding the history, or the progress that has been made, despite the fact that we are only 3 governors away from one who vetoed Concealed Carry.

While I will confess, Texas is not where I want it to be in regards to gun rights, I know how far we have come in my lifetime, and so I feel justified in my criticism of other states, who are moving in the opposite direction. JMHO

can someone who understands the bill net it out for me? I don't get what the regulations change to springer would have been? I saw the 9 transfers thing but missed what happened (or would have) to the SA/RRA.

I can find an alternative to the RO Champion I was considering and can skip the xds but want to understand why I'm going to spend a few hundred more for the former in another brand.

THanks!!

What does an Illinois bill/law have to do with a Texas gun purchase by me? BTW, both my EDC and bedside guns are Springfields and there are a half dozen Ruger handguns in the safe....and I'm seriously considering the purchase of a Ruger AR 566 for $500.

Very disappointing.

Oldgringo wrote:What does an Illinois bill/law have to do with a Texas gun purchase by me?

Nothing if you don't care about Springfield and Rock River supporting gun control.

Lambda Force wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:What does an Illinois bill/law have to do with a Texas gun purchase by me?

Nothing if you don't care about Springfield and Rock River supporting gun control.

Springfield and Rock River care about their business of making and selling guns. I'd like for them to stay in business.

Jusme wrote:I have never understood why so many manufacturers continue to keep their manufacturing, sales, and distribution in States that continually restrict rights. Magpul moved out of Colorado, and only after they got a huge government contract, did Colorado realize their stupidity.
If these manufacturers really cared about the 2A, they would all move to places like Texas, where they could make anything they wanted, and refuse to make State compliant firearms for States that restrict rights.
We are the voice that can send a message, and refuse to purchase guns from companies who cave to States who want to wrest control, but still allow manufacturers to sell whatever they want to places who respect our rights. Their profits are directly reliant upon us.
JMHO

You mean kinda like Mossberg, which manufactures 90% of its shotguns in Texas, makes the Shockwave, which can't be bought/sold in Texas?

Oldgringo wrote:

Lambda Force wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:What does an Illinois bill/law have to do with a Texas gun purchase by me?

Nothing if you don't care about Springfield and Rock River supporting gun control.

Springfield and Rock River care about their business of making and selling guns. I'd like for them to stay in business.

Why would anyone patronize a business that is willing to sacrifice a person's 2A rights ( no matter in what State)in order to bolster the businesses bottom line? We have too many other options.