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Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:53 pm
by jafreaka
First off I want to thank everyone for answering my past questions.
I'm glad theres is a place to go to get all of my CHL questions answered from what seems to be very knowledgeable people.

Anyways, I've read the rules on carrying and using deadly force front to back and I've always understood it to be if it's not written down then it's not a law.

On to my question.

Is there a law on carrying a gun not registered in your name. I did not come across this or I overlooked it if it was addressed.

Thanks!

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:54 pm
by Winchster
Texas does not have gun registration laws. There is no such thing as "in your name" in Texas.

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:01 pm
by Pawpaw
Winchster wrote:Texas does not have gun registration laws. There is no such thing as "in your name" in Texas.
:iagree: No registration in Texas! :nono: :rules:

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:12 pm
by jafreaka
if I were to buy a gun from a friend or a person other than an FFL dealer the gun doesn't need to be registered in my name. Is that correct?

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:22 pm
by Winchster
jafreaka wrote:if I were to buy a gun from a friend or a person other than an FFL dealer the gun doesn't need to be registered in my name. Is that correct?
There is NO registration in Texas.
If you buy a gun from me, it is now yours. There is no place to report the change to since there is no requirement for registration.

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:26 pm
by cougartex
That is correct, Texas does not have registration of firearms. If you purchase from an FFL dealer you must fill out form 4473.

Information on form 4473.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:43 pm
by txcshooter
What is the purpose then for filling out form 4473?

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:49 pm
by Winchster
txcshooter wrote:What is the purpose then for filling out form 4473?
It is for the over reaching federal government to establish their database and exert their "authority" over us.

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:16 am
by txcshooter
Thanks Winchester, thats exactly what I thought. A gun registration in disguise. ...Because hypothetically speaking, if i were to lay my gun down somewhere, wouldnt they be able to trace it back to me?

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:21 am
by philip964
Don't you just love Texas.

My understanding the gun dealer keeps all the records, but they are not sent or put in any database. If your gun is never used in a crime and recovered, there is no reason for the information on the forms to be ever looked at by anyone. I suspect if in the future, a government could require that all that old information be sent somewhere and put in a database. But the political climate would have to be a lot different than it is now.

My favorite line from the movie "Red Dawn" is when the Communist Col. asks his men to search the gun records to find the gun owners in town. I think they end up executing the owner of the gun store because he does not have records on the hunting rifles he gives the kids, when they come in for supplies.

Some people do not believe in CHL because this tells the government you have a gun in your possession.

Thus if you are worried about these things, you dont have a CHL and all your guns are direct cash person to person sales. And I guess the person you buy from shouldn't know you either, as your friend could crack under torture to give up your name.

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:23 am
by Winchster
It's not so hypothetical. It could be traced back to you if you are the original purchaser.
Now, in theory they aren't supposed to keep a compiled record but some of us tin hat wearers think they do anyway.

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:11 am
by KD5NRH
philip964 wrote:My understanding the gun dealer keeps all the records, but they are not sent or put in any database. If your gun is never used in a crime and recovered, there is no reason for the information on the forms to be ever looked at by anyone. I suspect if in the future, a government could require that all that old information be sent somewhere and put in a database. But the political climate would have to be a lot different than it is now.
And the flammable materials storage location at certain shops would have to be farther from the completed 4473 storage location. ;-)

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:16 am
by G.A. Heath
The dealer is required to retain the forms for 20 years and they are required to send those forms in should they go out of business. So the idea of the government getting those forms isn't too far fetched.

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:14 am
by Mr.ViperBoa
There is no telling how far big brother reaches. I have always thought maybe they want us to have chl's so they know who to come to first to seize weapons. Who knows.

Re: Carrying gun not registered in your name.

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:29 am
by Dave2
Mr.ViperBoa wrote:There is no telling how far big brother reaches. I have always thought maybe they want us to have chl's so they know who to come to first to seize weapons. Who knows.
I thought Big Brother was the Feds? The CHL program is a state thing.