Personal Defense Ammo

[olafpfj]

.38 hornady critical defence 132?gr (glove compartment)
9mm hornady critical defense 115gr (night stand/carry)
.45 Winchester ranger 230gr +p (carry)
5.56 federal xm193 ball (ar15 zombie gun)
12g Remington 3" magnum 00buck (home defense)

I load a 152gr hornady A-max round for my M1 garand and keep 12 clips loaded. I would certainly trust my M1 if it came to that.

[DallasSVT]

What ammo do you guys use for Personal Defense/ CC?

I carry RBCD Total Fragmenting Soft Point rounds and love them!

Thanks,

D

Why do you love them? Do they shoot more accurately from your weapon than other types/brands? Have you read independent ballistics studies that prove they're more safe and/or effective? Have you done your own ballistics tests with your weapon and this ammo?

Just curious (not meaning to nitpick or call you out) - but wondering what made you choose these as they don't fit within the "normal" recommendations for name-brand SD ammo. Do you work for RBDC in San Antonio?

Great question and I was wondering why more of you don't carry it. It is not your standard Hollow Point or FMJ!

Ballistics are fast and hard hitting for the TFT rounds. (Ment to do the most damage within 3-12 ft. most rounds will not even go threw 2 sheets of sheet rock, yet will penetrate a car door and not the human body) To me this means a lot more damage to BG and a lot less potential damage to bystanders...

IN NO WAY WAS THIS SCIENTIFIC !! But, myself and a friend took a couple dozen boxes of these rounds out to the ranch and bought a couple different large cuts of pork and beef to shoot at. We shoot cinder blocks, old car doors, folded up stacks of blue jeans, water jugs, watermelons... just about anything you could shoot at...... RBCD appeared to preform a lot better than FMJ, AGAIN NOTHING SCIENTIFIC, but did not penetrate the pork rounds.

The most impressive round was the .223 Predator Hollow Point round.....

Just my opinion and why I asked the rest of you what you carried.

[DallasSVT]

forgot to mention...
I carry one of the following.

HK USP Compact 9mm
Glock 23 .40
Kimber Covert Carry 4" .45
Sig 238 .380 (Pocket or BUG)
FN 5.7 rare occasions Do not make RBCD for 5.7

And I have an ED BROWN Exe 1911 .45 on order that will be my daily carry soon... shoot one of these and you will sell everything else!!


Also have a couple of AR's in 5.56 NATO, 6.8 SPC and 7.62 NATO

ALL LOADED WITH RBCD!

[hi-power]

I use 9mm Federal Hydra-Shok JHP 124 Grain - 1120 FPS, 345 ft lbs.

[stroo]

I generally carry a mixed load. In 9mm, 2 RBCD on top and then Corbon DPX 115. In 45, 2 RBCD on top and then Corbon DPX 185 or Hydroshok 230.

I have shot the RBCD and DPX in pork roast. The RBCD only penetrates about 7 inches but make a huge hole - 5 inches in diameter with the 9 mm. The DPX makes about half inch hole but will penetrate 17 inches or better.

I figure if the first two shots with the big diameter holes ought to discourage most - 90 %? - BGs with less chance of killing them. If theydon't discourage a BG, it is time for more penetration. Most think differently, but that's my theory.

[MoJo]

speedsix - what revolver do you use with the Rem 158 gr? I am having a hard time finding that stuff in the Rem. Buffalo bore has the same stuff but I don't know if it would be hotter than the Rem. I ask because I wonder if the Rem would be to hot in a J frame. I know it is a old round but I have read it is a pretty good PD round.

I'm not speedsix but maybe I can shed some light on this. Remington, Winchester, and Federal all load the 158 gr SWCHP there is very little difference between one loading and the next. Buffalo Bore also loads a 158gr SWCHP that is gas checked and a harder alloy than the "Big 3" use. I am not sure the BB is loaded to SAAMI specifications or not. Several folks I trust carry the BB in J frame guns and report no problems.

I have loaded 158 gr SWCHP bullets from both Speer and Hornidy to +P velocities and it's a hand full in a light weight snub nose but, until my hand starts hurting from the recoil, I can shoot very tight groups with it.

I would prefer one of the "Big 3's loads but wouldn't shy away from Buffalo Bore.

[Derf]

For my Commander sized 1911: 230 gr +P Winchester Ranger SXT
In my Glock 19: 127 gr +P Winchester Ranger SXT

I decided to standardize on this ammo after seeing its effectiveness back in my LEO days. Even feeds well in my Officer's Model 1911.

[speedsix]

speedsix - what revolver do you use with the Rem 158 gr? I am having a hard time finding that stuff in the Rem. Buffalo bore has the same stuff but I don't know if it would be hotter than the Rem. I ask because I wonder if the Rem would be to hot in a J frame. I know it is a old round but I have read it is a pretty good PD round.

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...any .38...have used it in 649 Bodyguard 1 7/8", GP100 3"...3" and 4" .38S...it's plenty potent and proven...I don't shoot .357 in any gun...Rem has the softer lead of the different brands...about $30 per 50...Georgia Arms has them in bulk...good price...
...as to being too hot? my son was shooting 130gr. FMJ practice ammo at the range...I loaded his 3" J with the +P without telling him...he never knew the difference nor did he miss any with it...in a steel J it's comfortable to shoot...we use Pachmayr Compac grips on all our Js...any steel J can shoot the +P...I wouldn't practice with it continually...the more modern stainless revolvers can stand more +P than the old steel ones...it's not too hot nor punishing to shoot in any but the airweight/Ti guns...and if I had to carry one of those featherweights, I'd use them anyways...glad I don't...

[DallasSVT]

here is some info on the RBCD ammo.....



32 ACP 37 gr. TFSP 1815 fps / 271 flbs
380 ACP 45 gr. TFSP 1835 fps / 337 flbs
9mm 60 gr. TFSP 2010 fps / 539 flbs
9 X 23 Win. 50 gr. TFSP 2625 fps / 800 flbs
38 Super 60 gr. TFSP 2225 fps / 660 flbs
9x18 Makarov 45 gr. TFSP 1850 fps / 342 flbs
357 Sig. 60 gr. TFSP 2410 fps / 774 flbs
38 Spl. 60 gr. TFSP 1705 fps / 385 flbs
357 Mag. 60 gr. TFSP 1975 fps / 520 flbs
40 S&W 77 gr. TFSP 2100 fps / 754 flbs
10mm 77 gr. TFSP 2420 fps / 1015 flbs
44 Spl. 110 gr. TFSP 2030 fps / 1007 flbs
44 Mag. 110 gr. TFSP 2430 fps / 1445 flbs
45 ACP 90 gr. TFSP 2036 fps / 828 flbs
45 ACP 115 gr. TFSP 1650 fps / 700 flbs
45 Colt 120 gr. TFSP 1950 fps / 1013 flbs
223 Rem. 37 gr. TFSP 3880 fps / 1337 flbs
243 Win. 78 gr. TFSP 3700 fps / 2280 flbs
270 Win. 110 gr. TFSP 3525 fps / 3036 flbs
7mm Rem. 108 gr. TFSP 3800 fps / 3207 flbs
7.62X39mm 112 gr. TFSP 3100 fps / 2391 flbs
7.62X39 Sabot 37 gr. TFSP 3700 fps / 1216 flbs
308 Win. 112 gr. TFSP 3650 fps / 3373 flbs
30-06 Spf. 112 gr. TFSP 3650 fps / 3374 flbs
300 Win. Mag. 112 gr. TFSP 3800 fps / 3595 flbs
300 Rem. UM 112 gr. TFSP 4100+ fps / 4256+ flbs
30/378 Wby M 160 gr. TFSP 4300+ fps / 6571+ flbs
50 BMG 500 gr. BMTSP 3500+ fps / 14944 flbs
50 BMG Sabot 200 gr. BMTSP 5900+ fps / 15465 flbs
RBCD Performance Plus TPD Ammunition
9mm TPD 50 gr. TPD 2300 fps / 590 flbs
357Sig. 50 gr. TPD 2500 fps / 693 flbs
38 Special TPD 50 gr. TPD 1850 fps / 418 flbs
357 Mag. 50 gr. TPD 2270 fps / 572 flbs
40 S&W TPD 70 gr. TPD 2320 fps / 790 flbs
45 ACP TPD 80 gr. TPD 2375 fps / 1002 flbs

TFSP = Total Fragmenting Soft Point
TPD = Tactical Personal Defense (Limited Range Round)
BMTSP = Blended Metal Technology Soft Point



Caliber Cavity Diameter Penetration
32 ACP 4" 8"
380 ACP 5" 8"
9mm 7" 10"
9 X 23 Win 6" 10"
357 Sig 8" 11"
38 Spl. 7" 10"
357 Mag. 8" 11"
40 S&W 9" 11"
10mm 12" 12"
44 Spl. 10" 11"
44 Mag. 12" 15"
45 ACP 90 gr. 11" 11"
45 ACP 115 gr. 11" 12"
45 Colt 10" 11"
223 Rem. 37 gr. 9" 14"
243 Win. 10" 16"
270 Win. 10" 15"
7mm Rem. 10" 18"
7.62x39mm 7" 14"
7.62x39 Sabot 8" 14"
308 Win. 10" 16"
30-06 Spf. 10" 16"
300 Win Mag. 11" 19"
300 Rem UM 11" 20"
30/378 Wby M 11" 28"
50 BMG 20" 48"
50 BMG Sabot 6" 16"
RBCD Performance Plus TPD Ammo
9mm TPD 7" 9"
40 S&W TPD 9" 10"
45 ACP TPD 11" 12"

[blackopstx]

I have supreme confidence in RBCD, you can't get any better bang for your buck....high velocity, stopping power, light weight total fragmenting soft point, that won't over penetrate a soft tissue target. It may be a little more expensive but how much is your life worth? Look at the Ballistic chart and show me another bullet that can do what this does.

[RockingRook]

Winchester Supreme Elite PDX1 in both my .40 and my 9mm.

Have not heard of them clogging in fact I heard they did pretty well on gel tests.
I realize gel is not clothing.

Chuck

[C-dub]

Seems some folks don't think this RBCD stuff is all it's reported to be.

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/def ... versy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/for ... light=rbcd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot38_2.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[PR1042]

.38 - Speer Gold Dot 125+p
9 mm - Fed HST 124+p or Ranger T 127 +p+ (meant to buy +p but no returns)

[stroo]

Yep, some people think it is a fraud; some people don't like it; and some people thing its great.

Like all frangible rounds it produces relatively shallow very wide wounds. In my testing it had a wider diameterthough than magsafe or Glaser.

I enjoyed rereading the defensive carry thread since I was one of the contributors to it.

RBCD isn't for everyone. But I have tested it for myself and whatever it is made of it made big holes in the meat I shot. Were my tests scientic? Nope. But they convinced me that RBCD has a place in my load outs.

So if interested, go out and shoot some meat. See what it does for yourself.

[40khammer]

I've carried 180gr Speer Gold Dots, 180gr Remington Golden Sabers, and 165gr Hornady Critical Defenses. I've quickly fallen in love with 165gr Winchester PDX1's though. This is for .40 s&w