PaJ wrote:I own and carry a P30 in 9mm. I've shot the VP9. They are VERY similar guns in terms of holding it and shooting it. The VP9 is striker fired and more affordable. It appears HK wants to go head to head with Glock (similar gun at a slightly higher price point). There is also the P30SK, which is a lower capacity, hammer fired gun. Easier to conceal and at the same price point as the VP9.
I have a SA/DA trigger. I don't find the heaviness of the DA a big problem. In terms of accuracy, I think the person pulling the trigger (me) has far more to do with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the shot than the double acting trigger pull.
I've held other HK's (and other brands). None of them compare to how the P30 fits in my hand. The adjustable grips help that as well. I didn't think I had small hands, but other pistols just feel huge in my hand. The P30 fits like a glove.
That's what's leaving me feeling overwhelmed on the choices as I do like striker fired -- but don't see any info on their site as to which models have that. I also loved the grips -- my friend has hands that are same size as mine, so the grips he had in made the gun feel more comfortable than my best Glock. But if I'm understanding correctly I'm not going to get the grips that I'd like unless I get the P30 or HK45 Tactical, and I want to stay in either .40 or .45.
The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.
Was just about to ask about the VP40 as I saw it on their site as well. Didn't know for sure on the grips as I hadn't had a chance to read more, but saw the rail (which I'd like), and see that it doesn't have the ability to mount a suppressor which I've been kind of toying with, but then have wondered about the thread interfering with ease of draw from a Fobus paddle.
Fortunately I have held and fired a P30, and absolutely loved it. So I have an idea of what I like as I haven't found too many H&Ks in the stores around me and have been resorting to looking around gunbroker.
Too sad you are in Houston and I'm in Dallas. We could go to the range and you could test the P20, P30L, both in V3.
Hmmm...let's see...wonder how long that is by cycle?
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bmwrdr wrote:
The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.
Noticing that from the pricing on gunbroker it seems that the VP40 is priced just slight higher than a Glock. Entry level gun then?
i wouldnt say entry level, but they priced the VP line similarly to the currently polymer striker fired options.
i love my vp9 and if you get one or the vp40 i HIGHLY suggest getting an LE one if you can, which comes with an extra magazine and night sights.
What kind of differences are there between that and a P30 or 45 Tactical? I mean, what makes those that much more expensive? On gunbroker the VP40 is going for $600 and slightly up, while for example, the 45 Tactical is about twice that.
The VP is a striker fired and the P30/45 Tactical is a hammer fired. Depending on the exact model, there may be different triggers, manual safety, different sights, LE version vs non-LE version (so different trigger and extra mag).
PaJ wrote:I own and carry a P30 in 9mm. I've shot the VP9. They are VERY similar guns in terms of holding it and shooting it. The VP9 is striker fired and more affordable. It appears HK wants to go head to head with Glock (similar gun at a slightly higher price point). There is also the P30SK, which is a lower capacity, hammer fired gun. Easier to conceal and at the same price point as the VP9.
I have a SA/DA trigger. I don't find the heaviness of the DA a big problem. In terms of accuracy, I think the person pulling the trigger (me) has far more to do with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the shot than the double acting trigger pull.
I've held other HK's (and other brands). None of them compare to how the P30 fits in my hand. The adjustable grips help that as well. I didn't think I had small hands, but other pistols just feel huge in my hand. The P30 fits like a glove.
That's what's leaving me feeling overwhelmed on the choices as I do like striker fired -- but don't see any info on their site as to which models have that. I also loved the grips -- my friend has hands that are same size as mine, so the grips he had in made the gun feel more comfortable than my best Glock. But if I'm understanding correctly I'm not going to get the grips that I'd like unless I get the P30 or HK45 Tactical, and I want to stay in either .40 or .45.
The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.
Was just about to ask about the VP40 as I saw it on their site as well. Didn't know for sure on the grips as I hadn't had a chance to read more, but saw the rail (which I'd like), and see that it doesn't have the ability to mount a suppressor which I've been kind of toying with, but then have wondered about the thread interfering with ease of draw from a Fobus paddle.
Fortunately I have held and fired a P30, and absolutely loved it. So I have an idea of what I like as I haven't found too many H&Ks in the stores around me and have been resorting to looking around gunbroker.
Too sad you are in Houston and I'm in Dallas. We could go to the range and you could test the P20, P30L, both in V3.
Last weekend, Athena gun range had HK day. They had all of the discussed guns there (and more) to shoot. I only shot the VP9. Now I wish I'd shot some of the others as well.
The tactical variant one is an amazing gun, I had one then switched to an lem trigger which helped out a lot. You would love the accuracy of a 1911 but a polymer framed pistol
PaJ wrote:I own and carry a P30 in 9mm. I've shot the VP9. They are VERY similar guns in terms of holding it and shooting it. The VP9 is striker fired and more affordable. It appears HK wants to go head to head with Glock (similar gun at a slightly higher price point). There is also the P30SK, which is a lower capacity, hammer fired gun. Easier to conceal and at the same price point as the VP9.
I have a SA/DA trigger. I don't find the heaviness of the DA a big problem. In terms of accuracy, I think the person pulling the trigger (me) has far more to do with the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the shot than the double acting trigger pull.
I've held other HK's (and other brands). None of them compare to how the P30 fits in my hand. The adjustable grips help that as well. I didn't think I had small hands, but other pistols just feel huge in my hand. The P30 fits like a glove.
That's what's leaving me feeling overwhelmed on the choices as I do like striker fired -- but don't see any info on their site as to which models have that. I also loved the grips -- my friend has hands that are same size as mine, so the grips he had in made the gun feel more comfortable than my best Glock. But if I'm understanding correctly I'm not going to get the grips that I'd like unless I get the P30 or HK45 Tactical, and I want to stay in either .40 or .45.
The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.
Was just about to ask about the VP40 as I saw it on their site as well. Didn't know for sure on the grips as I hadn't had a chance to read more, but saw the rail (which I'd like), and see that it doesn't have the ability to mount a suppressor which I've been kind of toying with, but then have wondered about the thread interfering with ease of draw from a Fobus paddle.
Fortunately I have held and fired a P30, and absolutely loved it. So I have an idea of what I like as I haven't found too many H&Ks in the stores around me and have been resorting to looking around gunbroker.
Too sad you are in Houston and I'm in Dallas. We could go to the range and you could test the P20, P30L, both in V3.
Hmmm...let's see...wonder how long that is by cycle?
I did it in less than 4 hours once but you better watch out around Ennis.
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bmwrdr wrote:
The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.
Noticing that from the pricing on gunbroker it seems that the VP40 is priced just slight higher than a Glock. Entry level gun then?
i wouldnt say entry level, but they priced the VP line similarly to the currently polymer striker fired options.
i love my vp9 and if you get one or the vp40 i HIGHLY suggest getting an LE one if you can, which comes with an extra magazine and night sights.
What kind of differences are there between that and a P30 or 45 Tactical? I mean, what makes those that much more expensive? On gunbroker the VP40 is going for $600 and slightly up, while for example, the 45 Tactical is about twice that.
The VP is a striker fired and the P30/45 Tactical is a hammer fired. Depending on the exact model, there may be different triggers, manual safety, different sights, LE version vs non-LE version (so different trigger and extra mag).
LE models also come with tritium night sights. The trigger variant is replaced within minutes and any version can be converted to any trigger variant.
Holsters are widely available and a broke in leather holster for the P30 will fit a VP9, at least it worked for me with a D. M. Bullard.
Sight replacement is easy as well because front and rear are pressed in a dovetail.
There are just simple tools required for a full break down of the gun but certain roll pins should not be reused.
Complete manuals and parts diagrams are available on hkparts.net.
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enforcerjwd wrote:The tactical variant one is an amazing gun, I had one then switched to an lem trigger which helped out a lot. You would love the accuracy of a 1911 but a polymer framed pistol
The .45 Tactical? If so, that was one of the draws in hoping for that with the longer frame - funny that the H&K site doesn't list the site radius.
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My State Rep Hubert won't tell me his position on HB560. How about yours?
bmwrdr wrote:
The VP9 and the VP40 have the same feature of interchanging grip elements as the P30 and full size HK45! The only difference is the stippling pattern.
Noticing that from the pricing on gunbroker it seems that the VP40 is priced just slight higher than a Glock. Entry level gun then?
i wouldnt say entry level, but they priced the VP line similarly to the currently polymer striker fired options.
i love my vp9 and if you get one or the vp40 i HIGHLY suggest getting an LE one if you can, which comes with an extra magazine and night sights.
What kind of differences are there between that and a P30 or 45 Tactical? I mean, what makes those that much more expensive? On gunbroker the VP40 is going for $600 and slightly up, while for example, the 45 Tactical is about twice that.
one thing you need to realize is the usp45 tactical (or hk45 tactical not sure which you mean) is a higher end handgun model from the USP line and they are very popular. it has a better trigger and a threaded barrel, the extras are the reason why it costs twice as much as the VP line.
That and all the hammer fired models will cost more due to the higher cost to manufacture, it's very difficult to try and compare the VP cost to the cost of the 45 tactical line it's apples and oranges. another thing to consider is the USP series is a bit thicker than the P series, the P series is more ergonomic (as is the HK45 series)
IMO go try them out before dropping the cash on the tactical, or if you just want to wade into the HK waters the VP9 is hard to go wrong with...i'm far from a marksman and the second i picked up the vp9 i was greatly more accurate with it just through the first magazine alone.
rentz wrote:
one thing you need to realize is the usp45 tactical (or hk45 tactical not sure which you mean) is a higher end handgun model from the USP line and they are very popular. it has a better trigger and a threaded barrel, the extras are the reason why it costs twice as much as the VP line.
That and all the hammer fired models will cost more due to the higher cost to manufacture, it's very difficult to try and compare the VP cost to the cost of the 45 tactical line it's apples and oranges. another thing to consider is the USP series is a bit thicker than the P series, the P series is more ergonomic (as is the HK45 series)
IMO go try them out before dropping the cash on the tactical, or if you just want to wade into the HK waters the VP9 is hard to go wrong with...i'm far from a marksman and the second i picked up the vp9 i was greatly more accurate with it just through the first magazine alone.
Getting somewhat closer to knowing what I want or don't want....yesterday I had a chance to hold both a P30 and a USP Tactical .45. I loved the way that the P30 felt and did not like the way that the USP felt. The P30 felt familiar, similar to the feel of my Glocks but the grip panels made it feel very comfortable and it fit my hand. The USP reminded me of a basic 1911 and more like holding a block of wood with some texture, and having to fit my hand to it.
If I go by that alone then I'm down to either the VP 40 or P30 if I want another .40SW, or with the HK45 Tactical if I want another .45 and the ability to easily add a suppressor.
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My State Rep Hubert won't tell me his position on HB560. How about yours?
Still torn between the HK45 Tactical and the VP40 LE....I just found a NIB VP40 LE w/night sites and 3 mags for $579...that seems like a really great price?
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My State Rep Hubert won't tell me his position on HB560. How about yours?
Glockster wrote:Still torn between the HK45 Tactical and the VP40 LE....I just found a NIB VP40 LE w/night sites and 3 mags for $579...that seems like a really great price?
That seems like a deal to me too. Too bad I already got my Fathers Day present.
