Anyone see "Hot Pursuit"

GalaxyFE · #1

So on Monday night, CourtTV had a show on called "Hot Pursuit". I was half asleep (about 2 in the morning) but I did wake up with this. Apparantly someone was carrying open in Ohio (legal to do in Ohio) and some folks called 911 after seeing him in the vicinity of a gas station. Anyway, the officers executed a felony stop, including a shotgun being pointed on him. Once he was put in the car, the conversation was recorded. Long story short....the guy told them he was a CHL holder and it was in his pocket. The cops verified it and then asked if he had any felony convictions adn were giving him the 3rd degree. The guy then "schooled" the idiots...I'm sorry...Officers, that he couldn't hold a CHL if he was...and some other stuff about the requirements of a CHL. The cops really looked like idiots. It was eye-opening for those who open carry (not here in TX...go figure) and what can happen. I have tried to find it online, but haven't had any luck. It was in Ohio, his name was Daniel Sayre (sp?) and it was around 5/06.

cyphur · #2

If I was treated like that, I would file a complaint with the department.

Will938 · #3

cyphur wrote:If I was treated like that, I would file a complaint with the department.

If I was treated like that, I'd of made it great TV. Schooling the officers in dramatic fashion, like you always see the "chief" do. Throw in some line about them writing tickets for the rest of their careers, then turn to one guy and tell him to turn in his gun and badge. THAT would of gone over well, lol.

At least it would be sure to make youtube, lots of reruns, and the general public would understand.

KBCraig · #4

I remember reading about that, but I can't find the source.

The quirk of Ohio law has been that open carry was required while in a car. (That will change next week, when an amendment takes effect.) And open carry is legal in Ohio, but they lacked strong pre-emption, so open carry was against some city ordinances. (This is also being fixed with the new amendments.)

So the quandary being faced was this: how to transition from open carry in the car, to concealed carry while out of the car, especially in places where open carry was illegal?

The driver in this story was openly carrying while driving, as was required. When he stopped for gas, he just got out and didn't bother covering up. Some nervous nelly called 911 reporting "a man with a gun!", and the footage you saw was the result.

Kevin

Tote 9 · #5

I can't understand why LEOs aren't more knowledgeable about these kind of laws and are better
schooled. From the posts and things I've read this kind of thing happens quite often. even in Texas.

Tacomaoffroader · #6

In response to this, I have a question- More like a statement that I'm curious on answers.

How many hours are recruits trained on CHL laws and how to conduct traffic stops with CHL holders?

I can imagine after reading some traffic stop posts that they are not taught much if anything! Like the gentleman in Grand Prairie when the newbie pulled him over and the gentleman said he had a CHL the newbie freaking out and whatnot.

Would there be a way to contact Police Chief or suggest the making of a state law requiring police departments to require x-amount of training for CHL stops.

It's probably a very long shot but I think it would be great to see officers and CHL holders get along. Now, on a personal note I have yet to have a bad experiance when pulled over, and know that they are few and far between, but it would be nice to know that our LEOs are getting at least a fair amount of eduction on CHL laws and regs, etc.

-Laurence

glocklvr · #7

I have been stoped several times (lead foot) with guns in the truck both with CHL and without and I can honestly say the cops have treated me much better with the CHL

hi-power · #8

glocklvr wrote:...the cops have treated me much better with the CHL

I have the same opinion. I was stopped 2 times back in 1999 - once by DPS south of Houston and then by Southlake PD.

Both just wanted to know where it was and that was the end of it.

srothstein · #9

Tacomaoffroader wrote:How many hours are recruits trained on CHL laws and how to conduct traffic stops with CHL holders?

They are not given any specific number of hours on CHL at all, and it is probably mentioned only during the weapons chapter of their Penal Code section. In the Basic Academy, officers get 40 hours of all of the Penal Code, so weapons is a fairly small amount.

During their biennial refresher training, officers get 8 hours of all the law updates including any relevant court cases.

Would there be a way to contact Police Chief or suggest the making of a state law requiring police departments to require x-amount of training for CHL stops.

You can always contact the local Chief, and that might work in a small town. In a larger city, try to talk to the Academy Director, usually a captain. But a better choice would be to talk to TCLEOSE, either the executive director, Timothy Bratten, or the commission itself. They control the content of the basic course and the mandated legal updates. TCLEOSE commission meets quarterly and has an open session for any public comments. You might try addressing it as helping ensure a civil rights issue, pointing out the way the legislature is upset at the D.A.'s about the traveling law.

http://www.tcleose.state.tx.us has the commission schedule and contact information for all.