Active Shooter

[Express]

Too many things to consider and there are no cookie cutter situation.

But I would think the bank robber(s) would want to get in and get out in shortest amount of time.
I would do whatever they instruct me to do to avoid any fatalities.

[suthdj]

I think it would depend on if my money was on me or in the bank and how much there was, a few thousand on me and I might have to protect it, any amount to FDIC limit in the bank and it is insured so lay on floor and watch and wait.

[DoubleJ]

Say you are in the bank to make a deposit when two men wearing masks enter, both are armed but one starts shooting the ceiling and orders everyone to the ground. What is your plan? Wait and see, try to run out, pull your gun? I am just trying to measure different responses to what someone's "line in the sand" may be.

At the start signal, turn, draw, and engage T1 and T2 with three rounds each, in Tactical Sequence, while moving to a position of cover.
PE's for not shooting while moving, not shooting in Tactical Sequence, and for not reloading while properly using cover.

[DoubleJ]

This is why they have the Mozambique drill. double tap plus in the melon.

Keith told me it was two in the chest, and one in the beak...

[Beiruty]

Say you are in the bank to make a deposit when two men wearing masks enter, both are armed but one starts shooting the ceiling and orders everyone to the ground. What is your plan? Wait and see, try to run out, pull your gun? I am just trying to measure different responses to what someone's "line in the sand" may be.

At the start signal, turn, draw, and engage T1 and T2 with three rounds each, in Tactical Sequence, while moving to a position of cover.
PE's for not shooting while moving, not shooting in Tactical Sequence, and for not reloading while properly using cover.

Double tap each, in Tactical Sequence and, repeat as needed.

[DoubleJ]

PE!
you can only shoot one round before engaging the second taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttttttttt

[Beiruty]

PE!
you can only shoot one round before engaging the second taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttttttttt

I prefer double taps ;)

[VMI77]

I think the movie "Point Break" contains a bank robbery scene that depicts the most likely outcome should you attempt to engage a group of bank robbers.

[VMI77]

I think it would depend on if my money was on me or in the bank and how much there was, a few thousand on me and I might have to protect it, any amount to FDIC limit in the bank and it is insured so lay on floor and watch and wait.

Really, your life is only worth a few thousand dollars?

[VMI77]

Interesting scenario/thread. In terms of "takeover bank robberies" my mind always goes first to the infamous "North Hollywood Shootout" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bad guy fires into ceiling. You fire into bad guy's chest. Bad guy falls back. You stop to assess and perhaps try one of those "tactical reloads" you learned at your local IDPA match. Bad guy - uninjured save for severe bruises - levels his AK at you and pull the trigger ... GAME OVER.

Personally, in the exact scenario as described in OP, I would be retreating, seeking cover, and making sure I could access my weapon to use it quickly if absolutely necessary. But I would not return fire on behalf of the ceiling tiles. If they want to defend themselves, they can fall on the bad guy's head.

Reminiscent of the shooting outside the Tyler courthouse too. Mark Wilson was supposed to be a good shot and well practiced. Mark took on a single gunman who had an AK-47 and was wearing body armor --his first shot hit the gunman in the back, then Mark hid behind a truck, stood up, and shot the guy in the chest before he was killed --one shot to take Mark down, then three more to finish him off as he lay on the ground.

[suthdj]

I think it would depend on if my money was on me or in the bank and how much there was, a few thousand on me and I might have to protect it, any amount to FDIC limit in the bank and it is insured so lay on floor and watch and wait.

Really, your life is only worth a few thousand dollars?

Can't really put a price on a life, obviously it depends on the situation, if I feel I can take action with out getting me or somebody else killed then, yes. It is about keeping that which is mine. Given an opportunity to keep it I will always choose to keep it. I don't carry a gun to be a victim, I carry it to protect me and mine when possible.

[DONT TREAD ON ME]

Well A-R beat me too it.

I believe it is very important to assess and analyze the situation. Being a good witness at the beginning can help you in a decision that you have to make later on. What I mean is that by being a good witness at the beginning you may notice that they are wearing BR vests over everything or that there is something funny under their shirts possibly a BR vest, their demeanor is it wild and frantic or are the calm and organized, what kind of weapons they have, etc. All of this can come into play if later on you are forced to make a decision to draw your weapon.

Also, I believe that too many think that when engaging in a situation like this a couple shots to the BG will put him down for good. Unfortunately that is not the case and the reason we are taught to stop only when the threat is stopped.

In this scenario lets say that the BGs do not have on BR vests. If you are faced with multiple attackers you have a very small time window to go from your first target to your second target and the time window keeps getting smaller and smaller with additional targets. If you shoot the first/closest BG a couple times and he drops this doesn't mean that he is no longer a threat. You now move on to the second BG taking all of your attention off of the first one. You fire a couple shots into him. Now, the first BG, depending on how bad he is wounded, could have either gotten up or may still be lying on the floor but since you didn't have any time to make sure he was no longer a threat, he now has his weapon on you and as it was stated earlier-game over.

When facing two or more armed BGs it is imperative that the first one you engage is quickly completely incapacitated and no longer a threat to you or anyone else. Unfortunately this is rarely possible and should be taken into consideration when put in this type of situation.

I also believe that if they start shooting innocent people then it is a different ball game. Lives are at stake and as Edmund Burke said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".