Cavalry Draw - Would you have given him what he wants?

[Kalrog]

I love the company and the products, but I think you made the wrong decision this time, Rob. I would have made the sale and trusted this person to have been an adult about it.

Probably would have gotten me sued as well when he did shoot himself...

[The Marshal]

This guys will find a holster that will work and Rob will sleep at night knowing he did put someone in harms way.

So, ahhh, Diode.
Are you implying that Rob is forcing the would-be customer to possibly choose an inferior, and maybe more dangerous, holstermaker, thereby putting some person at risk?
Hmmmm....(thinks to himself).... I guess I could agree with that.
I mean, c'mon. If Capt. Crossdraw were to yank his iron outta the Texas CowCover Special DeeLux-O Holster* and said equipment happened to fly off the end of the pistol, striking some poor schmuck standing within hurling distance of said holster..... think of the liabilities!

Good choice Rob.
It called "Right to refuse service."

~Bill

*With Gen-yew-iiine Imitation Realistic CowGrain!

[spud]

I woudent even carry a toy gun in that holster. Bad idea.

Good call.

[flintknapper]

The snap on my Galco 'cuff case was really stiff when I first got it. I almost "broke a nail" on it when it was new. Man, are they lucky I didn't.

Seriously though, its not like the person asked for a "neck holster" that would hold the pistol so that it aimed behind his right ear.

A "smart carry" would concern me a lot more than any SOB rig.

Just the same, I respect any manufacturer's right to refuse service.

[Chris]

It’s no problem in practice but in a defensive situation your brain is shouting “shoot, shoot� to your trigger finger and it’s common that people have premature discharges.

i'm not sure i agree with the decision. it's not common for people to randomly discharge a gun when they draw. it's actually rather uncommon, and i can personally only think of a handful of times that i've ever even heard of it happening. and the "no problem in practice"? don't you act how you train? i mean, if you train to stick that finger on the trigger before it leaves the holster, you'll probably shoot yourself, and no holster in the world can help that problem.

you have the right to do business with whomever you choose, so whether you do or don't sell it, no big deal. what you potentially lost is a guy telling all his friends what a great holster you made, and how you were accomodating to a custom order. what you gained is an upset potential customer who will tell all of his friends that you thought he wasn't smart enough to use a holster like that. that may not be your intentions, but that's how i certainly would view it.

how many cars on the road are capable of driving 100+ mph? tell me what road in this great country allows one to drive 100+ mph. why is there even such a thing as sports cars that are made to be driven fast? there are wrecks resulting from such high speeds, so why not make cars that only do 70mph?

the reason they make them is because it's what people want. morals aside, they make cars people want to buy. responsible people drive fast cars all day long and don't wreck. irresponsible people will wreck a bicycle.

if you want to stay the small time craftsman, then stick to your morals and hope you can earn money on reputation alone. if you want to grow a business, you have to be willing to make some concessions in order to give people what they want.

i use left handed IWB holsters tucked down into the small of my back. i have also carried 1911s, and various other makes, without any holster in this same fashion, requiring the back of my hand to touch my back. usually i've been required to qualify in the same manner that i will be carrying. it has never been an issue. whether you draw from a duty style holster, or a goofy holster, you train not to touch the trigger until you're on target and ready to fire. you could make the highest threat level holster with all kinds of goofy lawyer pleasing crap, and it won't do a bit of good for the idiot who doesn't practice. i've been in law enforcement for 10 years, and have carried a weapon on me almost every day since i earned a commission; not one single unintentional discharge. if i asked you to, would you refuse to make me a holster like that because you think i'm not qualified to carry in that fashion?

i think the whole argument is absurd. personally, i'd be pretty offended if you told me 'no', and i'd be telling everyone that had an ear what kind of bull i thought that was. the decision was very judgmental on the customer's character, and i do think that was a bit arrogant.

but all that aside, i think it is commendable that you're looking for debate on the topic. if you think it was the best decision, then it was the best decision.

[Mike1951]

I'll side with Rob on this, mainly because I don't see where Tucker EVER offered a SOB holster (except for their 'Double Trouble' novelty rig).

So it was not just a case of the customer admitting he intended to carry the holster in what Rob considered an unsafe manner.

It was a case of the customer insisting on a product that wasn't even offered by Tucker.

I could try to coerce any of the established makers to make a holster not in their product line.

But I shouldn't be upset if they refused to do so.

Having said that, I'm sure the reason that they don't offer a SOB is because Rob and Tucker decided, at some point, that it is not a desired method of carry.

There are many vendors that this customer could have bought from. All he would have had to do was tell them he was left handed instead of right handed.

[Mancunian]

I really didn't want to say no, but I turned down a holster order the other day.
He was a nice guy and I probably made him mad. Would you have given him what he wanted even if you thought it wasn't safe?

Here are the details. I'd like to hear your opinions.

http://www.tuckergunleatherblog.com/2006/10/16/136/

Oh so you are alive!!! It's funny you brought that post up for discussion, because I have left you a voicemail AND a PM on here asking you to contact me regarding a holster just like you describe. The problem I have is my gun isn't concealed enough at my side as it sticks out through the shirt. I can't put it on my right kidney as it hurts my shoulder to try and pull it from a holster. Besides under my arm I thought my only other option was a reverse draw like you describe. It's the way I used to carry many years ago in the military and had to draw on numerous occasions (under fire) without shooting myself???

[Rob Longenecker]

I really didn't want to say no, but I turned down a holster order the other day.
He was a nice guy and I probably made him mad. Would you have given him what he wanted even if you thought it wasn't safe?

Here are the details. I'd like to hear your opinions.

http://www.tuckergunleatherblog.com/2006/10/16/136/

Oh so you are alive!!! It's funny you brought that post up for discussion, because I have left you a voicemail AND a PM on here asking you to contact me regarding a holster just like you describe. The problem I have is my gun isn't concealed enough at my side as it sticks out through the shirt. I can't put it on my right kidney as it hurts my shoulder to try and pull it from a holster. Besides under my arm I thought my only other option was a reverse draw like you describe. It's the way I used to carry many years ago in the military and had to draw on numerous occasions (under fire) without shooting myself???

I never knowingly ignore messages, email or voice mails. I don't know of any that I have gotten from you. I apologize if I missed your messages.

[Mancunian]

I really didn't want to say no, but I turned down a holster order the other day.
He was a nice guy and I probably made him mad. Would you have given him what he wanted even if you thought it wasn't safe?

Here are the details. I'd like to hear your opinions.

http://www.tuckergunleatherblog.com/2006/10/16/136/

Oh so you are alive!!! It's funny you brought that post up for discussion, because I have left you a voicemail AND a PM on here asking you to contact me regarding a holster just like you describe. The problem I have is my gun isn't concealed enough at my side as it sticks out through the shirt. I can't put it on my right kidney as it hurts my shoulder to try and pull it from a holster. Besides under my arm I thought my only other option was a reverse draw like you describe. It's the way I used to carry many years ago in the military and had to draw on numerous occasions (under fire) without shooting myself???

I never knowingly ignore messages, email or voice mails. I don't know of any that I have gotten from you. I apologize if I missed your messages.

Apology accepted. So am I to assume you won't consider it?

[longtooth]

I really didn't want to say no, but I turned down a holster order the other day.
He was a nice guy and I probably made him mad. Would you have given him what he wanted even if you thought it wasn't safe?

Here are the details. I'd like to hear your opinions.

http://www.tuckergunleatherblog.com/2006/10/16/136/

Oh so you are alive!!! It's funny you brought that post up for discussion, because I have left you a voicemail AND a PM on here asking you to contact me regarding a holster just like you describe. The problem I have is my gun isn't concealed enough at my side as it sticks out through the shirt. I can't put it on my right kidney as it hurts my shoulder to try and pull it from a holster. Besides under my arm I thought my only other option was a reverse draw like you describe. It's the way I used to carry many years ago in the military and had to draw on numerous occasions (under fire) without shooting myself???

I never knowingly ignore messages, email or voice mails. I don't know of any that I have gotten from you. I apologize if I missed your messages.

Apology accepted. So am I to assume you won't consider it?

These two real men are a prime example of why I love this forum as I do & why it is so successful.

[Rob Longenecker]

Apology accepted. So am I to assume you won't consider it?

Well, no.
If you are asking for a LH S.O.B. holster for a RH shooter I read a long series of recent posts on this forum that has convinced me to decline such orders.

I do appreciate your thinking of Tucker Gunleather.
Rob

[kw5kw]

Apology accepted. So am I to assume you won't consider it?

Well, no.
If you are asking for a LH S.O.B. holster for a RH shooter I read a long series of recent posts on this forum that has convinced me to decline such orders.

I do appreciate your thinking of Tucker Gunleather.
Rob

Rob,
Do you make a crossdraw?

Russ

[Rob Longenecker]

Here's a link to the crossdraw page:

http://rlcompanyusa.stores.yahoo.net/crossdraw.html

[Mancunian]

Here's a link to the crossdraw page:

http://rlcompanyusa.stores.yahoo.net/crossdraw.html

Thanks for that.

[RPBrown]

Alyhough I probably would have sold him the holster, however, I do respect you for your decision based on your beliefs. and as stated before, you have the right to refuse service to anyone.

I also don't see you losing a large amount of business over this issue because you do have a quality product and warranty. You may lose a few customers due to word of mouth, but how many that he told were going to buy from you anyway.

I know it will not stop me from buying from you in the future.