Lost gun

[diastiss]

When you carry in a comfortable holster, you acclimate to the weight, so you probably don't think about it not being there when you never put it on in the first place. If you were carrying and suddenly had 1.5 - 2 lbs fall out, I would almost bet you would feel the change in weight and realize you were sans-pistol. The fact that you were not carrying it all along was why you really didn't think about it not being there, if that makes sense.

Also, depending on what kind of ball game you were attending, you possibly couldn't have carried legally anyway (school or professional.) And, depending on the pool hall you went to, it may not have actually been a 51% establishment, so you may have been legal carrying there unless you were planning to drink quite a bit and be intoxicated.

your weight logic does make sense keith, It was at a baseball field not linked to any school so i'm pretty sure i'm good there.... i think haha. I'm gonna have to look up this 51% establishment thing, I guess I read it wrong, i thought we were unable to go anywhere there is liquior served :/

[Teamless]

I guess I read it wrong, i thought we were unable to go anywhere there is liquior served

Anyplace that earns more than 51% of its revenue from alcohol will have a sign on the entrance with a red 51% across it, which will state something like the "LICENSED or UNLICENSED....." is illegal.

If they make less than 51% the sign will be blue and will say the "UNLICENSED....." is illegal.

[mr surveyor]

this scenerio reminds me of my last year's dove hunting trip to West Texas. I dressed at 0500, holstered up, loaded my gear to haul over to the group "ride". I must have made one last "potty stop" in the house before leaving.... got all the way to the lease, did the afternoon hunt, got back to the sleeping quarters and realized I was carrying an empty holster. since it's a high ride pancake styly retention strap holster, I figured I really made a bone head mistake. Called home, had the wife check the book case rack in my office john, pick up the airweight and put it in it's normal home spot for the next four days. I realized that I could have done the same thing at a friend's house and left it in their john.... although thet would be highly unikely as I normally save those relaxing rest stops for my own surroundings.... but it could still hapen, and I am much more careful to check, and check again.


surv

[Carry-a-Kimber]

I lost a mag for my LCP once but found it in the bottom of my safe between some rifle stocks. I guess thats as close as I have gotten. It was down there for about a month though.

[Keith B]

Anyplace that earns more than 51% of its revenue from alcohol will have a sign on the entrance with a red 51% across it, which will state something like the "LICENSED or UNLICENSED....." is illegal.

If they make less than 51% the sign will be blue and will say the "UNLICENSED....." is illegal.

Well, close. Any place that earns 51% or more in alcohol sales SHOULD have the 51% sign, but it doesn't mean that WILL have it. There are places that aren't 51% that have the 51% sign posted, and others that are 51% that don't.

The only ways to tell 100% is to look at the business's actual license and see if it says SIGN = BLUE, then they are not 51%, or SIGN = RED, then they ARE 51%. Also, you can look up the business on the TABC website and if they have FB (Food and Beverage) as a subordinate license, then they are NOT 51%. If it is not there, it doesn't mean they are or are not, only the FB guarantees they are not.

[Teamless]

The only ways to tell 100% is to look at the business's actual license and see if it says SIGN = BLUE, then they are not 51%, or SIGN = RED, then they ARE 51%. Also, you can look up the business on the TABC website

- true, but if you are driving up to a location and see the Red or Blue, all you can do at that time is accept what it is.
Much like I had to do with our local bowling center.
Once I got home, found out, (with all of your help here) that they are a FB license), I have talked with TABC and they are in the process of correcting the establishments erroneous signs.

[SQLGeek]

true, but if you are driving up to a location and see the Red or Blue, all you can do at that time is accept what it is.

Just to clarify, Keith is referring to what is actually printed on the establishment's liquor license, not the sign they have posted on the door.

[diastiss]

so if the sign is red you can not carry , if it's blue you can carry?

[Teamless]

if it is red with 51% on it, that is correct, you cannot carry.

If it is blue, you can

[SQLGeek]

Well, close. Any place that earns 51% or more in alcohol sales SHOULD have the 51% sign, but it doesn't mean that WILL have it. There are places that aren't 51% that have the 51% sign posted, and others that are 51% that don't.

The only ways to tell 100% is to look at the business's actual license and see if it says SIGN = BLUE, then they are not 51%, or SIGN = RED, then they ARE 51%. Also, you can look up the business on the TABC website and if they have FB (Food and Beverage) as a subordinate license, then they are NOT 51%. If it is not there, it doesn't mean they are or are not, only the FB guarantees they are not.

Quoted again with emphasis added.

If the location is a 51% location, the actual liquor license will have the words "SIGN=RED" printed on it. If the location is NOT 51%,the license will have"SIGN=BLUE".

[SQLGeek]

From another thread:

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Looked to see if something like this had been posted in the past and didn't find anything. I know people are always posting asking about what to look for to determine if a location is 51% or not and I know someone who has a beer and wine business that is a 51% location. So I snapped a picture for those out there that are wondering what a 51% license looks like. Ironically I work at a winery and our license doesn't have either the sign=red or the sign=blue on it, so I had to use his.

Here it is..

[Teamless]

"SIGN=RED"

or

"SIGN=BLUE"

While that is correct, if you are on the outside, looking in. With a concealed handgun. I don't know how you can walk inside ask to see their license (yes, while they are supposed to be in plain view, there are many that unless they let you behind their counter, their bar, or whatever, you simply cannot see it)
So, at the time you see the sign on the door, window or where ever, you have to trust the blue or red.

Edited to add:

if it is a facility that you want to frequent, you can do what I did, ask them (without a concealed handgun) to see the license.
When I did, they couldn't find it, or at least the manager on duty had no idea where it was. I did find a board (behind the bar about 8 feet up) that did have what seemed to be licenses or permits, there was no liquor license visible.

With the help of the members of this forum, people showed me on the TABC website where to find the info and I emailed TABC, they stated that the facility (which posted RED) was posted wrong and should have been BLUE. TABC is supposed to visit them and tell them to put up the correct signs.

[Weg]

I lost a .380 once in brush on a backpacking trip. Had no idea where it had fallen out over a 2 mile trip through real heavy brush. I just wrote it off, called the local sheriff, gave them the serial number and said good luck with that.

[chabouk]

I have a college buddy who once lost a .22 pistol in a creek when his canoe tumped over. A couple-three years later, someone found it and turned it over to the sheriff's department. They ran a check on it, and I guess contacted the ATF for a forward trace, which led them to the local dealer where he had bought the gun new. The dealer knew my buddy well and was actually good friends with him, so he convinced the investigator to go along with a prank.

The investigator called the guy up and gave him quite a routine: "Do you recall purchasing a pistol at XYZ store on or about... ? Did you sell or give that pistol to anyone else? Do you still have that pistol, or can you tell me what happened to it? Uh-huh, I see. 'Lost' it, huh? Do you recall the date you 'lost' it? Hmmm. Well, I tell you what, Mr. Jones, I need you to come down to the station to answer a few more questions, because ballistics testing has confirmed that this gun was used in a homicide about a week before you claim you 'lost' it."

About this time, the dealer couldn't hold back his guffawing any more, and the prank was up. My friend was in total panic mode, though!

[CompVest]

And the moral of the story is always report lost or stolen guns to the PD even if you might get "grilled" for it.