Electronic Ear muffs/ Protectors...
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Electronic Ear muffs/ Protectors...
Electronic Ear Protectors is that what you guys call 'em ?? Anyway, I think I'm ready for them and honestly untill last Saturday when I was having dinner with a fellow member of this forum, I did not know they even existed!! You mean, I can carry a conversation in between shots w/o taking off my ear muffs ???? Wow.... The bliss and purity of ignorance !! Anyway, I would like to start off with entry level ones and later on decide on a more expensive, complicated ones ( just like the big boys use.. ).. Any recommendations ?? Price ranges?? Where to buy?? Better still, anybody in the DFW area has some used ones for sale/lend/demo/trade.....????
Thanks Guys.. I will going to my in-laws farm in Mabank,TX on Monday and this will be the first ime in a few years that I will be shootin' outdoors!!Can't wait to try those "magical ear protectors" Geez, ya'll better believe it when I say a real green horn in this hobby... Is it also true that people can now put laser on there guns ???
Ya'll have a good one and thanks in advance for you inputs...
ReySC
Thanks Guys.. I will going to my in-laws farm in Mabank,TX on Monday and this will be the first ime in a few years that I will be shootin' outdoors!!Can't wait to try those "magical ear protectors" Geez, ya'll better believe it when I say a real green horn in this hobby... Is it also true that people can now put laser on there guns ???
Ya'll have a good one and thanks in advance for you inputs...
ReySC
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I use the Peltor Tactical 7S Stereo Electronic Earmuffs Gray (NRR 24dB).
They aren't the slimest profile available but they WORK really well, battery life is excellent and the stereo feature is a big +.
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.e ... mid=541841
They aren't the slimest profile available but they WORK really well, battery life is excellent and the stereo feature is a big +.
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.e ... mid=541841
I am scared of empty guns and keep mine loaded at all times. The family knows the guns are loaded and treats them with respect. Loaded guns cause few accidents; empty guns kill people every year. -Elmer Keith. 1961
Greetings--
I have a pair similar to the Cabela's model that is shown-- bought for about the same price. Harbor Freight Tools also has a similar pair. They look identical.
Quick comment-- They seem overly sensitive. They cut out when the guy next to me racks his slide, for example. They also tend to cut out with shots being fired in other bays (across the earth berms). It gets annoying when shooting in a match, trying to hear the RO commands/instructions and the muffs cut out w/o any shooting in our bay.
I wasn't sure I would like the amplified models so went the less expensive route. I've decided that a good set of Peltor's are next on my list.
I have a pair similar to the Cabela's model that is shown-- bought for about the same price. Harbor Freight Tools also has a similar pair. They look identical.
Quick comment-- They seem overly sensitive. They cut out when the guy next to me racks his slide, for example. They also tend to cut out with shots being fired in other bays (across the earth berms). It gets annoying when shooting in a match, trying to hear the RO commands/instructions and the muffs cut out w/o any shooting in our bay.
I wasn't sure I would like the amplified models so went the less expensive route. I've decided that a good set of Peltor's are next on my list.
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Cyphur, I received mine as a Birthday gift, I didn't choose them over other models. BUT, The level of noise reduction is really good compared to other models. Last night for example at an IDPA match, I was shooting full power (aka HOT) 45 ammo and it didn't bother my ears at all but the SO who was wearing the 6S model complained that my ammo was excessively loud.
185gr @ 1200 fps. Big Boom and Big fireball = fun
185gr @ 1200 fps. Big Boom and Big fireball = fun
I am scared of empty guns and keep mine loaded at all times. The family knows the guns are loaded and treats them with respect. Loaded guns cause few accidents; empty guns kill people every year. -Elmer Keith. 1961
Ryan,Reysc wrote:I ordered a pair just now. As I said I would like to get a basic first and go from there.. I'm not into match shooting yet so I guess it will work for now. I got it 2 day Priority ( does UPS deliver Saturday) so hopefully I can try it out on Monday...
This is the exact same unit sold by Harbor Freight and MidwayUSA. I have lots of them and give them
to my kids and friends. I bought a bunch of them when HF had them for $15.
I also have the MidwayUSA (Caldwell) unit--no difference.
However, they should be used over foam or some other in-the-ear plug.
Treat them as an additional form of protection and a means to overcome the attenuation of the in-the-ear plugs.
Do yourself a favor if you still have your hearing and use as much noise reduction as you can get.
None of the units rated in the NPR 20's provide enough.
I don't remember where I encountered the following but it is a good and enlightening read.
Check out: http://www2a.cdc.gov/hp-devices/huntershooters.html
Here is the text without the tables:
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In most cases, the sound level from firing a weapon is sufficient to require the use of hearing protection, even if the weapon is fired only one time. Recent NIOSH studies of sound levels from weapons fires have shown that they may range from a low of 144 dB SPL for small caliber weapons such as a 0.22 caliber rifle to as high as a 172 dB SPL for a 0.357 caliber revolver.
Consequently, NIOSH recommends that hunters and shooters use double hearing protection each and every time a weapon is fired. Double protection involves wearing both earplugs and earmuffs. The best combination is a deeply inserted foam earplug and a well-seated earmuff.
NIOSH examined the performance of several types of hearing protectors with a variety of weapons. Earplugs were able to reduce the peak sound pressure level by 10 to 30 decibels and earmuffs yielded 20 to 38 decibels of peak reduction. Active level-dependent earmuffs were found to react sufficiently fast to provide the same protection level as when they were turned off [Murphy and Little (2002) J. Acoust. Soc. Am. 111:2336; Franks and Murphy, (2002). J. Acoust. Soc. Am. 112:2294]. The effect of volume gain setting was minimal for active level-dependent devices (see Figure 1). Each protector was tested with the volume set for unity gain, maximum gain or turned off. At unity gain the sound under the protector is as loud as when no protector is worn. The peak reduction was mostly unaffected by the change in the volume setting.
The formula for determining the maximum number of shots is:
10(140-pldB)/10
where pldB is the peak level of the sound in the ear canal under the earmuff and earplug. NIOSH recommends that peak exposures be limited to one event not exceeding a peak level of 140 dB SPL. That is, exposure to one event of 140 dB SPL would constitute 100% of a persons’s noise burden.
As shown in Figure 2, the amount of reduction for 12-gauge shotgun using the David Clark Model 27 earmuff is 31 dB, reducing the peak level from 161(red line) to 130 dB SPL( blue line). So, with the earmuff alone, the number of shots recommended by NIOSH would be five per 24-hour period. The addition of a deeply inserted foam earplug reduces another 21 dB, increasing the allowed number of shots to more than 1200 per 24-hour period. A smaller caliber weapon with a lower peak level, such as 0.22 caliber rifles with peak levels of 144 dB SPL, could be fired as many as 63000 rounds per 24-hour period if the shooter were to wear an active level-dependent earmuff along with a deeply inserted foam earplug. The combination of an earmuff and a deeply-inserted foam earplug can provide as much as 50 dB of peak reduction, which is adequate in most cases.
Double hearing protection can severely compromise the ability to communicate when both devices are passive, linear protectors. The use of an active level-dependent earmuff with a deeply-inserted foam earplug can compensate for the loss of communication ability when double protected. In some cases, the earmuff may provide sufficient gain to counter the attenuation of the earplug.
For shooters, a key indication that whatever protection is being used is inadequate is ringing of the ears or a feeling of fullness in the ears after an episode of shooting.
There are also active level-dependent hearing protectors that are built into pre-molded earplugs and custom earplugs as well on the market. There are no data on their effectiveness. At present, there are no data on the use of an active level-dependent earplug in combination with a passive earmuff. Given the attenuation chain, it is doubtful that the pairing would be as effective as the active level-dependent earmuff with foam earplug.
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Kind Regards,
Tom
Ryan,Reysc wrote:YIKES!!! Looks like I've wasted money again.. Never fails!! Oh well. my grandaughter will have a new toy!!
You didn't waste anything. You will have a decent set of ears, under which you need foam or plugs, and you
will have the equivalent of a $100+ set of ear protection.
I think you did fine. Protect your hearing now. Once it is gone, that's it.
BTW - I paid about $50 for the Caldwell's, before I found the HF units.
Kind Regards,
Tom
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Generally none of the major carriers (UPS, Fed Ex, DHL) deliver residential on Saturdays. There might be some special circumstances of which I'm unaware, but it will cost a pretty penny. I've never noticed Cabelas or Midway offering Saturday delivery as an option.Reysc wrote: I got it 2 day Priority ( does UPS deliver Saturday) so hopefully I can try it out on Monday...
I'll second the Harbor Freight muffs as adequate, if not exactly top of the line. I own several pair, and try to pick up one or two pair every time they go on sale.
They're monauraul instead of stereo, which can throw you off a little bit. If someone says something from behind you, you don't know which side they're on.
But, I know one guy who bought two pair, and re-assembled them into a pair of stereo muffs, and a pair of non-electronic muffs.
Kevin
They're monauraul instead of stereo, which can throw you off a little bit. If someone says something from behind you, you don't know which side they're on.
But, I know one guy who bought two pair, and re-assembled them into a pair of stereo muffs, and a pair of non-electronic muffs.
Kevin
This thread made me think...I load up on sound protection whenever I am practicing at the range, but when out duck hunting, I fire round after round of 12ga with no hearing protection at all. I really need to find some camo (ducks can see very well) electronic ear muffs for when I am out missing all the ducks.