Dallas Man Shot After Domestic Disturbance

[Venus Pax]

I have seen several threads started on theis subject and the title line is always incorrect. It should read: Drunk musician who was taking a drug that should never be mixed with alcohol beats girlfriend takes drunken rampage to neighbors house. Or something like that.

Precisely. We may not all agree with the homeowner/crime victim's course of action, but he did not ask to be put in this situation, and the time required for a detailed plan for the exact scenario was not a luxury for him.
We've been posting about this topic for a few days now and we can't come to the perfect response. He only had a few minutes, if that. Considering that no passers-by or other neighbors were hurt, I don't think anyone can find fault with him.

[Wildscar]

I have seen several threads started on theis subject and the title line is always incorrect. It should read: Drunk musician who was taking a drug that should never be mixed with alcohol beats girlfriend takes drunken rampage to neighbors house. Or something like that.

Precisely. We may not all agree with the homeowner/crime victim's course of action, but he did not ask to be put in this situation, and the time required for a detailed plan for the exact scenario was not a luxury for him.
We've been posting about this topic for a few days now and we can't come to the perfect response. He only had a few minutes, if that. Considering that no passers-by or other neighbors were hurt, I don't think anyone can find fault with him.

And what I find both hysterical and madding is the fact that every news story I have read has to make a big deal out of the new law that does not even play a part in this event. The home owner is protected under a different law thats been on the books for a long time now.

[Liberty]

I have seen several threads started on theis subject and the title line is always incorrect. It should read: Drunk musician who was taking a drug that should never be mixed with alcohol beats girlfriend takes drunken rampage to neighbors house. Or something like that.

Precisely. We may not all agree with the homeowner/crime victim's course of action, but he did not ask to be put in this situation, and the time required for a detailed plan for the exact scenario was not a luxury for him.
We've been posting about this topic for a few days now and we can't come to the perfect response. He only had a few minutes, if that. Considering that no passers-by or other neighbors were hurt, I don't think anyone can find fault with him.

And what I find both hysterical and madding is the fact that every news story I have read has to make a big deal out of the new law that does not even play a part in this event. The home owner is protected under a different law thats been on the books for a long time now.

What I find Madning is that the media hasn't made much of the real root cause. The musician wasn't what we think of as a bad guy. He and his girl friend were trying to improve their lives by quiting smoking. They took some perscribed medication to take away the cravings.. added some alcohol (probably didn't take much). Chances are that he hadn't had any experiance with this combination. It completely changed him.

Quiting tobacco is tough

[Wildscar]

Quiting tobacco is tough

No its not. If the person is not mentally ready to quit smoking than he’s/she’s never going to quit. I smoked for 16years about a pack or more a day. I just quit one day. I decided that I had enough.

Since we are on the subject. What if the home owner had not been armed? What if the guy actually broke down the door, Then what? He already freaked out and was beating up his girlfriend. Someone that’s supposed to be special to him. Do you think he would have cared in his state what had happened to the home owner? If he had gotten in and killed the home owner in a drunken rage we would not even still be hearing about. It's because a gun is brought into the scene and a person is dead because of their actions that we are still hearing about it. Everyone wants to focus on the gun and no one wants to really focus on the facts. This whole story and the way the media is twisting it to make all gun owners look like mad men with guns that will shoot anything that moves. They are the uninformed, unknowing, and gun illiterate that are passing wrongful judgment on all gun owners. The home owner is being dissected just like a LEO would be after a shooting. Only the Home owner doesn’t have the support group that a LEO would have. Guess I better stop here before I get angrier and type something worse than I have already typed.

[soccerguy59]

I saw this reported on Fox4, they said Musician killed, a case of mistaken idenity. I was already informed of the story on this forum, so I was very confused on how they titled the story. They reported that the musician/neighbor was mis-identified for a drunken burgulary.

I really dislike the media, yet so many believe they report in an unbiased manner.

[DoubleJ]

Musician Is Killed for Banging on a Door

By GRETEL C. KOVACH

DALLAS, Sept. 4 — A Texas rock musician was shot to death here early Monday by a neighbor who fired through a closed door, thinking he was scaring off a burglar.

I agree with "SoccerGuy59." I have difficulty calling anyone a "rock" musician who plays keyboards...

[Wildscar]

Apparently its was the back door and it had a window according to the story below. That kind of changes things. Cause if he could see him then he should of know how tall he was and there for the warning shot might get sticky. However someone banging on my back door would not sit well with me even more so than the front door.


Man Who Shot Musician Told 911 He Tried Firing Warning Shot

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/14062032/deta ... w&psp=news

POSTED: 6:00 pm CDT September 6, 2007
UPDATED: 6:14 pm CDT September 6, 2007

DALLAS -- A homeowner who killed a member of Edie Brickell & New Bohemians by shooting a gun through his back door told a 911 operator he was trying to fire a warning shot but didn't think the musician "was that tall."

But instead of scaring Jeffrey Carter Albrecht away, according to a tape of the 911 call released Thursday, the man tells the operator "I think I shot him" as Albrecht's body lay in the doorway.

He was "trying to get in the back door," said the homeowner, who identifies himself as William Logg. "I woke up and my wife was screaming. ... I looked out there and he's like trying to beat through the window. I yelled at him to get away."

Albrecht, who was 6-foot-5, was shot in the head around 4 a.m. Monday while trying to kick down Logg's back door, police said. Logg lives next door to Albrecht's girlfriend, whom police said the musician was fighting with before the shooting.

Police and friends of Albrecht have said they don't know why the 34-year-old had gone to the neighbor's home.

Coincidentally, the neighbor who shot Albrecht is also a musician. Logg, 54, is a blues guitarist who goes by the nickname "Smokey" and has recorded multiple albums.

Logg will not face charges, police said. The case will instead be turned over to a grand jury, but police and Dallas prosecutors have said Logg appeared to be within his rights under the state's self-defense laws.

The 10½-minute call to 911 begins with Logg's wife screaming "There's someone in my yard!" Seconds after the call begins, a loud noise can be heard in the background.

When the operator asks what the noise was, Logg's wife said she doesn't know. Soon after, Logg can be heard telling his wife, "I think I just shot him."

"Oh my God! Oh my God, Billy, don't tell me that!" the woman says.

Albrecht, who went by his middle name, had been a keyboard player for the New Bohemians since 1999, according to the band's Web site. Albrecht played several times with Brickell's husband, Paul Simon. He also played with Texas musician Charlie Sexton, a renowned guitarist.

He also played keyboard and guitar and sang for Sorta, named in 2006 as the best local music act by the Dallas Observer.

Edie Brickell & New Bohemians scored a breakout hit in 1989 with "What I Am." They broke up for several years but regrouped and put out an album last year.

[cxm]

Chas,

Something you said a couple of weeks ago here in Dallas at your Deadly Force seminar keeps going through my mind....

"Don't let your mouth turn a good shooting into a bad one." I think the victim talked a bit more than he needed to... it may yet cause him problems... though probably not criminal problems.

I wonder how this will play in relationship to the new civil immunity... he may have talked himself out of the defense in civil court.

V/r

Chuck

This event is tragic for both the homeowner and a man who apparently was a nice guy, until he mixed alcohol and medication.

I want to thank everyone for this discussion. Although our opinions vary, I think this is a valuable thread that could be beneficial to all of us.

Chas.

[Wildscar]

Parents Of Dallas Musician Killed Talk To CBS 11

http://cbs11tv.com/local/local_story_249195926.html

Jay Gormley
Reporting

(CBS 11 News) DALLAS The funeral for Carter Albrecht will be held Friday at Parkway Hills Baptist Church in Plano. On the night before they bury their son, the musician's parents are talking exclusively to CBS 11's Jay Gormley.

"The sadness is amazing," said Ken Albrecht, Carter's father. "In a lot of ways, it will be with us until our very last breath, and it will probably never lessen."

It's the type of answer you would expect from grieving parents, but Judy and Ken Albrecht of Plano say their son is not the type of person portrayed by his actions early Monday morning.

That is not Carter Albrecht. That is not his life of 34 years of gentleness and compassion," said Ken. "Carter dated a lot of women. They all cherished him and loved him. He never, ever touched anyone."

Police say the 34-year-old musician hit his girlfriend, chased after her and then wandered over to a neighbor's house where he tried to kick in the door.

Fearing it was an intruder, the neighbor fired a warning shot. It turned out to be a deadly shot.

"I know that he and his wife were very frightened. It was obviously dark, and they could not tell who it was," said Judy. "I wish he hadn't had a gun. I wish he hadn't fired. But I don't know what I would have done."

"They didn't invite someone, at that time in the morning, to be kicking at their door. Whatever action he took, that was a decision he had to make at that time," Ken Albrecht said. "He had a house to protect, a wife to protect, and my heart just goes out to them."

No one really knows what set Carter off. His parents confirm that he was taking the prescription drug Chantix to quit smoking. The Albrecht's believe the drug mixed with alcohol altered their son's mood.

"He was pretty excited about not smoking, and he did take it," Judy said. "That's the only connection we have with his out of character behavior."

Carter was considered one of the brightest talents in Dallas. He was a member of several bands, including Sorta and Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians.

His musical talent was encouraged by his mother, a life-long piano teacher.

"In every walk of his life, he was determined to learn and determined to excel," she said.

The Albrechts say Carter was scheduled to play Elton John's birthday in October at Carnegie Hall. They say Carter never wanted to bask in the spotlight. Instead, he just wanted to make his fellow band mates better musicians and better people.

"I hope you've gotten a good sense of Carter's gentle spirit and giant generosity," Judy said.

"He was just a tremendous person. He was my hero," Ken said. "He was just a great guy."

[KBCraig]

I'm thinking any possible lawsuits are going to be aimed at the makers of Chantix. Since that happens to be Pfizer, the villains in the Kelo eminent domain case, I won't shed any tears if they're destroyed.

Here's a Chantix report from a forum that also references the Carter Albrecht shooting:

http://vnboards.ign.com/guinevere_rp/b2 ... 104401546/

I just finished reading some Chantix forums at topix, and I'm shaking my head in amazement. There are a significant number of people reporting anxiety, hallucinations, insomnia, depression, suicidal ideation, etc. And what's even more amazing is that those forums are littered with the "Chantix Cheerleaders", who could not be more obvious paid shills if they tried!

[Paladin]

Another article:

http://www.[name automatically deleted].com/articles/ ... tate09.txt

Man who shot musician told 911 he tried warning shot

By PAUL J. WEBER
Associated Press


DALLAS — A homeowner who killed a member of Edie Brickell & New Bohemians by shooting a gun through his back door told a 911 operator he was trying to fire a warning shot but didn’t think the musician “was that tall.�

But instead of scaring Jeffrey Carter Albrecht away, according to a tape of the 911 call released Thursday, the man tells the operator “I think I shot him� as Albrecht’s body lay in the doorway.

He was “trying to get in the back door,� said the homeowner, who identifies himself as William Logg. “I woke up and my wife was screaming. ... I looked out there and he’s like trying to beat through the window. I yelled at him to get away.�

Albrecht, who was 6-foot-5, was shot in the head around 4 a.m. Monday while trying to kick down Logg’s back door, police said. Logg lives next door to Albrecht’s girlfriend, whom police said the musician was fighting with before the shooting.

Police and friends of Albrecht have said they don’t know why the 34-year-old had gone to the neighbor’s home.

Albrecht’s parents say despite the confusion over their son’s actions, they understand why the neighbor reacted by firing his weapon.




“They didn’t invite someone at that time in the morning to be kicking at their door,� Ken Albrecht, the musician’s father, said in an interview with Dallas television station KTVT. “He had a house to protect, a wife to protect and my heart goes out to them.�

Coincidentally, the neighbor who shot Albrecht is also a musician. Logg, 54, is a blues guitarist who goes by the nickname “Smokey� and has recorded multiple albums.

Logg will not face charges, police said. The case will instead be turned over to a grand jury, but police and Dallas prosecutors have said Logg appeared to be within his rights under the state’s self-defense laws.

The 10 1/2-minute call to 911 begins with Logg’s wife screaming “There’s someone in my yard!� Seconds after the call begins, a loud noise can be heard in the background.

When the operator asks what the noise was, Logg’s wife said she doesn’t know. Soon after, Logg can be heard telling his wife, “I think I just shot him.�

“Oh my God! Oh my God, Billy, don’t tell me that!� the woman says.

Albrecht, who went by his middle name, had been a keyboard player for the New Bohemians since 1999, according to the band’s Web site. Albrecht played several times with Brickell’s husband, Paul Simon. He also played with Texas musician Charlie Sexton, a renowned guitarist.

He also played keyboard and guitar and sang for Sorta, named in 2006 as the best local music act by the Dallas Observer.

Edie Brickell & New Bohemians scored a breakout hit in 1989 with “What I Am.� They broke up for several years but regrouped and put out an album last year.