One/Two Shot Exercise

[mikesimm]

Just curious... I have seen different interpretations from different instructors of what exactly IS a One or Two Shot Exercise during the shooting portion of the course.

So I wondered how you guys do it.

1. The student must re-load the handgun with one round for the One Shot Exercise, and must re-load with two rounds each time foe the Two Shot Exercise.

or

2. The student loads five rounds and fires one shot each time the instructor says "fire" for the One Shot Exercise(all the while the student is holding the handgun in the ready position and does NOT stop to re-load after each shot).

Thanks.

[Keith B]

Just curious... I have seen different interpretations from different instructors of what exactly IS a One or Two Shot Exercise during the shooting portion of the course.

So I wondered how you guys do it.

1. The student must re-load the handgun with one round for the One Shot Exercise, and must re-load with two rounds each time foe the Two Shot Exercise.

or

2. The student loads five rounds and fires one shot each time the instructor says "fire" for the One Shot Exercise(all the while the student is holding the handgun in the ready position and does NOT stop to re-load after each shot).

Thanks.

2.

For those who are qualifying with a 5-shot revolver, during the two shot exercise we have them load 4 rounds, then load 2 rounds to do the 6 shots, then we have them load 4 rounds for the next. Semi-auto qualifiers load 6, then 4.

[longtooth]

I do it
Load 4 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.
Load 4 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.
Load 2 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.

AS long as you get the 10 shots in 2 @ a time you are good to go.

[Keith B]

I do it
Load 4 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.
Load 4 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.
Load 2 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.

AS long as you get the 10 shots in 2 @ a time you are good to go.

That's a good method as well. The reason we do 6 then 4 vs. 4 then 4 then 2 is if you have only semi-auto shooters they can all put at least 6 rounds in their mags. That may need to change now since shooters can qualify with either a revolver or semi-auto and still carry a semi. We may see more students using revolvers to qualify going forward.

[switch]

Sometimes, I have students w/15 round magazines that are already loaded. Makes the proficiency test go quickly. :)

After we've emptied those mags, I only let them load 5 at a time. (Sometimes, we'll load 10 for the 15 yd test.)

[jbarn]

I do it
Load 4 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.
Load 4 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.
Load 2 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.

AS long as you get the 10 shots in 2 @ a time you are good to go.

Isn't it 3 seconds? ????

[switch]

I had to go check too. :)

It's 3 seconds at the 3 yard line, The 2 shot exercise if 4 seconds at the 7 yard line.

[longtooth]

I do it
Load 4 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.
Load 4 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.
Load 2 & 2 shots on command. You have 4 sec for 2 shots.

AS long as you get the 10 shots in 2 @ a time you are good to go.

That's a good method as well. The reason we do 6 then 4 vs. 4 then 4 then 2 is if you have only semi-auto shooters they can all put at least 6 rounds in their mags. That may need to change now since shooters can qualify with either a revolver or semi-auto and still carry a semi. We may see more students using revolvers to qualify going forward.

Only do this w/ the 5shot revolvers. If it is all semis or 6 shooters then I do the same.

[mikesimm]

It is my understanding that the official method is for the student to only load the number of rounds needed to accomplish the given exercise (One Shot, or Two Shot, etc.) I can understand this from a safety reason, plus it gets the student more familiar with handling the handgun.

I am surprised to see so many of you who don't do it that way.

Is there any guidance on this from DPS?

[jbarn]

It is my understanding that the official method is for the student to only load the number of rounds needed to accomplish the given exercise (One Shot, or Two Shot, etc.) I can understand this from a safety reason, plus it gets the student more familiar with handling the handgun.

I am surprised to see so many of you who don't do it that way.

Is there any guidance on this from DPS?

I do it just like DPS does instructors;

3 yards, load 5 rounds. On each command you have 2 seconds to fire 1 shot. (Call fire 5 times.)

load 6 rounds. On each command you have 3 seconds to fire 2 rounds. (Call fire 3 times)

Load 4 rounds. Repeat last drill, 2 shots each command, you have 3 seconds (call fire twice)

load 5 rounds. fire 5 rounds on one command in 10 seconds (call fire once)



Are you asking if we start like this; load one round and fire, load one round an fire, load one round and fire, etc?


Since it is a test, I do not think it was devised to get the student familiar with handling the firearm. It was designed as it is to accommodate all the various capacity handguns . Notice 6 is the maximum loaded in a magazine. Few handguns cannot accomplish that. However, a much larger percentage of handguns are not capable of loading 10 rounds. The instructor can keep safer control when everyone is loading the same.

[switch]

I try to keep all students together. I do not like a student standing around w/a loaded gun while others are loading their magazines.
However, if he shows up w/a 17 round mag, topped off, I'll ask him to remove 2 rounds. After we empty that mag, I only load 5 at a time. (Course, I only have 3 students on the line - max.)

I do NOT like to use the command "FIRE". I used to use 'BANG' but went to a LFI course and they used the command 'GUN' so I switched. :) YMMV :)

[sjfcontrol]

I try to keep all students together. I do not like a student standing around w/a loaded gun while others are loading their magazines.
However, if he shows up w/a 17 round mag, topped off, I'll ask him to remove 2 rounds. After we empty that mag, I only load 5 at a time. (Course, I only have 3 students on the line - max.)

I do NOT like to use the command "FIRE". I used to use 'BANG' but went to a LFI course and they used the command 'GUN' so I switched. :) YMMV :)

What's wrong with FIRE! ?

[switch]

It rhymes w/Cease Fire. Same reason I never liked to use the term "GO", sounds like "NO".

I don't mind getting them in the habit of pulling the trigger when someone yells "GUN". :)

[dogflight]

It is my understanding that the official method is for the student to only load the number of rounds needed to accomplish the given exercise (One Shot, or Two Shot, etc.) I can understand this from a safety reason, plus it gets the student more familiar with handling the handgun.

I am surprised to see so many of you who don't do it that way.

Is there any guidance on this from DPS?

I do it just like DPS does instructors;

3 yards, load 5 rounds. On each command you have 2 seconds to fire 1 shot. (Call fire 5 times.)

load 6 rounds. On each command you have 3 seconds to fire 2 rounds. (Call fire 3 times)

Load 4 rounds. Repeat last drill, 2 shots each command, you have 3 seconds (call fire twice)

load 5 rounds. fire 5 rounds on one command in 10 seconds (call fire once)

I do the same as jbarn (just like they did at CHL instructor class). I only modify if there is a five-shooter on the line. And even then, everyone loads and fires the same. When I say 'unload and show clear' at the end of each stage, they all need to be unloaded and clear before I give the next "Load x rounds" command. Finicky, I guess.

[jbarn]

I do NOT like to use the command "FIRE". I used to use 'BANG' but went to a LFI course and they used the command 'GUN' so I switched. :) YMMV :)

Agree, "gun front, gun left", etc. Or "push", "up" or even a whistle.