HB1911 Com Substitute

[tx85]

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/billlookup ... ill=HB1911
H Comte report filed with Committee Coordinator 04/25/2017

Committee Substitute text should be available soon.

[G.A. Heath]

Official CSHB1911 text available here: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01911H.htm

I have not verified how accurate the filed posted by the OP is yet.

[allisji]

Official CSHB1911 text available here: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01911H.htm

I have not verified how accurate the filed posted by the OP is yet.

at first glance it appears to be the same.
21 sections. No changes to 30.06/30.07. They still only apply to licensed individuals.

[ScottDLS]

Official CSHB1911 text available here: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01911H.htm

I have not verified how accurate the filed posted by the OP is yet.

at first glance it appears to be the same.
21 sections. No changes to 30.06/30.07. They still only apply to licensed individuals.

If this goes through as worded, it would appear that a LTC holder could carry past 30.06 and 30.07 notice, because he would not be carrying "under the authority" of his license because that authority is not necessary to carry anymore. Unless the store ALSO posted some additional "notice" under 30.05. But if they did that you could still carry , because you HAD ON YOUR PERSON a LTC, even though you weren't carrying under the authority of it. If I'm wrong....then how would a cop with an LTC carry past a 30.06/7 sign?

[locke_n_load]

Official CSHB1911 text available here: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01911H.htm

I have not verified how accurate the filed posted by the OP is yet.

at first glance it appears to be the same.
21 sections. No changes to 30.06/30.07. They still only apply to licensed individuals.

If this goes through as worded, it would appear that a LTC holder could carry past 30.06 and 30.07 notice, because he would not be carrying "under the authority" of his license because that authority is not necessary to carry anymore. Unless the store ALSO posted some additional "notice" under 30.05. But if they did that you could still carry , because you HAD ON YOUR PERSON a LTC, even though you weren't carrying under the authority of it. If I'm wrong....then how would a cop with an LTC carry past a 30.06/7 sign?

I would bet most places that post 30.06/07 already have a gunbuster sign.

[parabelum]

Official CSHB1911 text available here: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01911H.htm

I have not verified how accurate the filed posted by the OP is yet.

at first glance it appears to be the same.
21 sections. No changes to 30.06/30.07. They still only apply to licensed individuals.

If this goes through as worded, it would appear that a LTC holder could carry past 30.06 and 30.07 notice, because he would not be carrying "under the authority" of his license because that authority is not necessary to carry anymore. Unless the store ALSO posted some additional "notice" under 30.05. But if they did that you could still carry , because you HAD ON YOUR PERSON a LTC, even though you weren't carrying under the authority of it. If I'm wrong....then how would a cop with an LTC carry past a 30.06/7 sign?

That's what my primitive mind understood as well, unless verbal notice is given.

[ScottDLS]

Official CSHB1911 text available here: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01911H.htm

I have not verified how accurate the filed posted by the OP is yet.

at first glance it appears to be the same.
21 sections. No changes to 30.06/30.07. They still only apply to licensed individuals.

If this goes through as worded, it would appear that a LTC holder could carry past 30.06 and 30.07 notice, because he would not be carrying "under the authority" of his license because that authority is not necessary to carry anymore. Unless the store ALSO posted some additional "notice" under 30.05. But if they did that you could still carry , because you HAD ON YOUR PERSON a LTC, even though you weren't carrying under the authority of it. If I'm wrong....then how would a cop with an LTC carry past a 30.06/7 sign?

I would bet most places that post 30.06/07 already have a gunbuster sign.

So if I'm reading the bill correctly it will eliminate 30.06/7 for license holders...otherwise it will apply 30.06/7 to LEO who happen to have a permit, and to permit holders carrying in their car under MPA....

[Soccerdad1995]

Official CSHB1911 text available here: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01911H.htm

I have not verified how accurate the filed posted by the OP is yet.

at first glance it appears to be the same.
21 sections. No changes to 30.06/30.07. They still only apply to licensed individuals.

If this goes through as worded, it would appear that a LTC holder could carry past 30.06 and 30.07 notice, because he would not be carrying "under the authority" of his license because that authority is not necessary to carry anymore. Unless the store ALSO posted some additional "notice" under 30.05. But if they did that you could still carry , because you HAD ON YOUR PERSON a LTC, even though you weren't carrying under the authority of it. If I'm wrong....then how would a cop with an LTC carry past a 30.06/7 sign?

I would bet most places that post 30.06/07 already have a gunbuster sign.

Maybe most, but certainly not all. Most of the places I see with a 30.06 or 30.07 sign have just the wording with no pictures or anything else.

[locke_n_load]

I thought that the bill supposedly took care of the TABC blue signs, can anyone find that text in the bill?

[allisji]

Official CSHB1911 text available here: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01911H.htm

I have not verified how accurate the filed posted by the OP is yet.

at first glance it appears to be the same.
21 sections. No changes to 30.06/30.07. They still only apply to licensed individuals.

If this goes through as worded, it would appear that a LTC holder could carry past 30.06 and 30.07 notice, because he would not be carrying "under the authority" of his license because that authority is not necessary to carry anymore. Unless the store ALSO posted some additional "notice" under 30.05. But if they did that you could still carry , because you HAD ON YOUR PERSON a LTC, even though you weren't carrying under the authority of it. If I'm wrong....then how would a cop with an LTC carry past a 30.06/7 sign?

I would bet most places that post 30.06/07 already have a gunbuster sign.

I wander what the determination would be for those 30.06/30.07 signs that have the gunbuster picture on the 30.06/30.07 signs. I see those signs quite a bit. I would think that since the gunbuster picture is on the 30.06/30.07 sign that it only applies to the 30.06/30.07 trespassing law. Of course... I would assume that any facility banning licensed carry would also intend to ban unlicensed carry as well.

[locke_n_load]

I didn't read anything about eliminating 30.06/30.07 for license holders, however I do see this gem:

SECTION 17. Sections 46.15(a) and (b), Penal Code, are
amended to read as follows:
(a) Sections 46.02, [and] 46.03, and 46.035 do not apply to:

[(A)] a license holder [issued] under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, [to carry a handgun;] and is
carrying
[(B)] a handgun:
(A) [(i)] in a concealed manner; or
(B) [(ii)] in a [shoulder or belt] holster;
(7) is at least 21 years of age and:
(A) has not been convicted of a felony;
(B) is fully qualified under applicable federal
law to purchase and possess a handgun;
(C) meets the requirements under Sections
411.172(a)(1)-(13), Government Code;
(D) is not a member of a criminal street gang, as
defined by Section 71.01; and
(E) is carrying a handgun:
(i) in a concealed manner; or
(ii) in a holster;

Did we just get some of HB 560 added into HB 1911?

No, that is what I thought initially, but there is section (b) under there that just has 46.02 for licensed and authorized carriers.
Search for "(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:" and you'll see where the numbering starts over.

[ScottDLS]

I didn't read anything about eliminating 30.06/30.07 for license holders, however I do see this gem:

SECTION 17. Sections 46.15(a) and (b), Penal Code, are
amended to read as follows:
(a) Sections 46.02, [and] 46.03, and 46.035 do not apply to:

[(A)] a license holder [issued] under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, [to carry a handgun;] and is
carrying
[(B)] a handgun:
(A) [(i)] in a concealed manner; or
(B) [(ii)] in a [shoulder or belt] holster;
(7) is at least 21 years of age and:
(A) has not been convicted of a felony;
(B) is fully qualified under applicable federal
law to purchase and possess a handgun;
(C) meets the requirements under Sections
411.172(a)(1)-(13), Government Code;
(D) is not a member of a criminal street gang, as
defined by Section 71.01; and
(E) is carrying a handgun:
(i) in a concealed manner; or
(ii) in a holster;

Did we just get some of HB 560 added into HB 1911?

First. The bill would appear to eliminate the effect of 30.06/7 by not updating them to include people not carrying UNDER AUTHORITY of LTC.

Second: The above is INDEED helpful for LTC, if I am reading it the same as you.

[ScottDLS]

Official CSHB1911 text available here: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01911H.htm

I have not verified how accurate the filed posted by the OP is yet.

at first glance it appears to be the same.
21 sections. No changes to 30.06/30.07. They still only apply to licensed individuals.

If this goes through as worded, it would appear that a LTC holder could carry past 30.06 and 30.07 notice, because he would not be carrying "under the authority" of his license because that authority is not necessary to carry anymore. Unless the store ALSO posted some additional "notice" under 30.05. But if they did that you could still carry , because you HAD ON YOUR PERSON a LTC, even though you weren't carrying under the authority of it. If I'm wrong....then how would a cop with an LTC carry past a 30.06/7 sign?

I would bet most places that post 30.06/07 already have a gunbuster sign.

I wander what the determination would be for those 30.06/30.07 signs that have the gunbuster picture on the 30.06/30.07 signs. I see those signs quite a bit. I would think that since the gunbuster picture is on the 30.06/30.07 sign that it only applies to the 30.06/30.07 trespassing law. Of course... I would assume that any facility banning licensed carry would also intend to ban unlicensed carry as well.

But if YOU HAVE AND ARE CARRYING A LTC, you are exempt from 30.05. But you're exempt from 30.06/7 because you're not carrying under its authority...

[locke_n_load]

I didn't read anything about eliminating 30.06/30.07 for license holders, however I do see this gem:

SECTION 17. Sections 46.15(a) and (b), Penal Code, are
amended to read as follows:
(a) Sections 46.02, [and] 46.03, and 46.035 do not apply to:

[(A)] a license holder [issued] under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, [to carry a handgun;] and is
carrying
[(B)] a handgun:
(A) [(i)] in a concealed manner; or
(B) [(ii)] in a [shoulder or belt] holster;
(7) is at least 21 years of age and:
(A) has not been convicted of a felony;
(B) is fully qualified under applicable federal
law to purchase and possess a handgun;
(C) meets the requirements under Sections
411.172(a)(1)-(13), Government Code;
(D) is not a member of a criminal street gang, as
defined by Section 71.01; and
(E) is carrying a handgun:
(i) in a concealed manner; or
(ii) in a holster;

Did we just get some of HB 560 added into HB 1911?

First. The bill would appear to eliminate the effect of 30.06/7 by not updating them to include people not carrying UNDER AUTHORITY of LTC.

Second: The above is INDEED helpful for LTC, if I am reading it the same as you.

Nope I made the same mistake in the OP, but here:

(a) Sections 46.02, [and] 46.03, and 46.035 do not apply to:
(1) peace officers or special investigators under
...
(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
(1) ...
(6) is [carrying:
[(A)] a license holder [issued] under Subchapter
H, Chapter 411, Government Code, [to carry a handgun;] and is
carrying
[(B)] a handgun:
(A) [(i)] in a concealed manner; or
(B) [(ii)] in a [shoulder or belt] holster;
(7) is at least 21 years of age and:
(A) has not been convicted of a felony;
(B) is fully qualified under applicable federal
law to purchase and possess a handgun;
(C) meets the requirements under Sections
411.172(a)(1)-(13), Government Code;
(D) is not a member of a criminal street gang, as
defined by Section 71.01; and
(E) is carrying a handgun:
(i) in a concealed manner; or
(ii) in a holster;

Still just 46.02 for LTC and authorized carriers.