HB 910 (OC) Committee debate - Now

[mojo84]

TAM, is that the mayor of Kermit?

Or Odessa?

[Charles L. Cotton]

There are two independent questions/issues: 1) is the gun concealed; and if not 2) is the gun in a shoulder or belt holster? The answer to the concealed question will be no different after passage of open-carry than it has been since 1995. (See below.) The shoulder holster question is easy to answer, as is the belt holster question. If it is attached to or secured by the belt in any manner, then it's a belt holster. This means OWB belt holster, IWB holsters (regardless of placement, i.e. appendix, 3 o'clock, etc.) and even drop-leg holsters (God forbid!!) that are attached to a belt. Whether a gun is concealed is not determined by the type of holster used.

So....I could actually use an ankle holster as long as there was a dangle-thingy that attached to my belt, right?....

If that's what you think constitutes a "belt holster," then give it a try and find out.

Chas.

[SewTexas]

There are two independent questions/issues: 1) is the gun concealed; and if not 2) is the gun in a shoulder or belt holster? The answer to the concealed question will be no different after passage of open-carry than it has been since 1995. (See below.) The shoulder holster question is easy to answer, as is the belt holster question. If it is attached to or secured by the belt in any manner, then it's a belt holster. This means OWB belt holster, IWB holsters (regardless of placement, i.e. appendix, 3 o'clock, etc.) and even drop-leg holsters (God forbid!!) that are attached to a belt. Whether a gun is concealed is not determined by the type of holster used.

So....I could actually use an ankle holster as long as there was a dangle-thingy that attached to my belt, right?....

Why in the world would anyone want to open carry with an ankle holster?

just think of the bling I could use to match my dress

[Charles L. Cotton]

There are two independent questions/issues: 1) is the gun concealed; and if not 2) is the gun in a shoulder or belt holster? The answer to the concealed question will be no different after passage of open-carry than it has been since 1995. (See below.) The shoulder holster question is easy to answer, as is the belt holster question. If it is attached to or secured by the belt in any manner, then it's a belt holster. This means OWB belt holster, IWB holsters (regardless of placement, i.e. appendix, 3 o'clock, etc.) and even drop-leg holsters (God forbid!!) that are attached to a belt. Whether a gun is concealed is not determined by the type of holster used.

So....I could actually use an ankle holster as long as there was a dangle-thingy that attached to my belt, right?....

Why in the world would anyone want to open carry with an ankle holster?

It's the principle of the thing.....illustrating absurdity through the absurd.

The only absurdity are the ridiculous "examples" that are being thrown out.

Chas.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Anybody besides me think that this thread has turned into a circular discussion, not to dissimilar to a circular firing squad?

Yep! It's starting to remind me of the nursery at church with all of the whining going on. (BTW, I'm not making a joke.)

Chas.

[Jason K]

There are two independent questions/issues: 1) is the gun concealed; and if not 2) is the gun in a shoulder or belt holster? The answer to the concealed question will be no different after passage of open-carry than it has been since 1995. (See below.) The shoulder holster question is easy to answer, as is the belt holster question. If it is attached to or secured by the belt in any manner, then it's a belt holster. This means OWB belt holster, IWB holsters (regardless of placement, i.e. appendix, 3 o'clock, etc.) and even drop-leg holsters (God forbid!!) that are attached to a belt. Whether a gun is concealed is not determined by the type of holster used.

So....I could actually use an ankle holster as long as there was a dangle-thingy that attached to my belt, right?....

If that's what you think constitutes a "belt holster," then give it a try and find out.

Chas.

I'm more concerned with what the Legislature thinks constitutes a "belt holster". With the way things are currently written, it will depend on each LEO that you encounter to make up their own definition....kinda like the "reasonable speed" signs in Montana a few years back.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-re ... 56b77.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jason K]

There are two independent questions/issues: 1) is the gun concealed; and if not 2) is the gun in a shoulder or belt holster? The answer to the concealed question will be no different after passage of open-carry than it has been since 1995. (See below.) The shoulder holster question is easy to answer, as is the belt holster question. If it is attached to or secured by the belt in any manner, then it's a belt holster. This means OWB belt holster, IWB holsters (regardless of placement, i.e. appendix, 3 o'clock, etc.) and even drop-leg holsters (God forbid!!) that are attached to a belt. Whether a gun is concealed is not determined by the type of holster used.

So....I could actually use an ankle holster as long as there was a dangle-thingy that attached to my belt, right?....

If that's what you think constitutes a "belt holster," then give it a try and find out.

Chas.

I'm more concerned with what the Legislature thinks constitutes a "belt holster". With the way things are currently written, it will depend on each LEO that you encounter to make up their own definition....kinda like the "reasonable speed" signs in Montana a few years back.

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-re ... 56b77.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you really want every LEO to have their own opinion on what a "reasonable" belt or shoulder holster is?...

[The Wall]

Nice ankle belt holster TAM!

[Charles L. Cotton]

Anyone who truly cannot accept the fact that a holster that hangs on a belt and an IWB holster that is secured to the belt would fall within the proposed open-carry statute should stick to concealed-carry so you don't have to fret quite so much. This is beyond absurd! It makes me question, once again, why we spent so much political capital pushing for open-carry when so many more important bills are not getting the necessary attention to pass.

I didn't want "holster" mentioned either and I suggested that the language be something like "holster or other device to securely hold the handgun" but it didn't fly. The fact that I didn't get what I wanted hasn't led me to argue that we are going to be overrun by Unicorns as a result. I can't recall another gun-related issue that has prompted such extreme and exaggerated claims by pro-gun people.

I can hear it now. We (NRA and TSRA) get open-carry passed in spite of horrendous damage caused by open-carry zealots, only to be faced with complaints that "I have to put that thing in a holster!!!!"

Chas.

[ScooterSissy]

But... unicorns are FUN.

[SawdustBytes]

I do not wish to get "off topic", but at the risk of doing so -- What is the current state of HB 910?

[Rrash]

Can we just pull the holster talk into oncoming traffic, leave it there, and move on yet?

[joe817]

Can we just pull the holster talk into oncoming traffic, leave it there, and move on yet?

There's a dedicated sub-forum dedicated to holsters in the Day-To-Day section of the forum. I believe ALL discussions related to holsters should be done there; eliminate the baiting questions, and discuss only items relevant to legislative actions being discussed in this section of the forum.

And I am unanimous in my decision. (even to the point of asking the Mods to lock this thread if these silly debates continue)

[steveincowtown]

I do not wish to get "off topic", but at the risk of doing so -- What is the current state of HB 910?

For those that would like to continue Unicorn/holster discussion...

http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=133&t=76734" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[mr1337]

I do not wish to get "off topic", but at the risk of doing so -- What is the current state of HB 910?

Wouldn't that technically be getting on topic?

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... Bill=HB910" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was voted out of committee on 3/26.

Action just posted today says: "Comte report filed with Committee Coordinator"

I have no idea what that means.